Chinese shipbuilding industry

BoeingEngineer

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A country that size owning half of an entire industry is not the norm. Frankly ship building is a thin profit industry itself and require high skill. China itself is already struggling. No chance Korea can keep it.

Also remember, South Korea used to get a lot of cheap labor from North Korea 10-20 years ago and they get abused horribly !!

Now that is completely dead !! North Korea labor is dried up and China get the remaining ones !!

There is NOTHING that the koreans can do to save their shipbuilding industries !! Samsung and Daewoo will both be dead in just a few years, giving China 80% of the ship building industries !!
 

TK3600

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Is there a reason the ship building industry is on a price war vs Koreans instead of cartel price fix? Just for economic decisions or is there deeper political cause?
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Latest progress update on the new Hudong-Zhonghua Shipyard site on Changxin Island. Photo taken by Sentinel-2 L1C on January 20th, 2023.
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Comparing the above shot to the envisioned look of the new Hudong-Zhonghua site once completed this year:
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So, what do you guys think? Around how much work and time still remain before this new site can completely take over from the old site?
 

Godzilla

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I am curious about something. Saw on the 09V thread that 12m diameter modules have appeared for the new subs.
I remember just 10 years ago, China had problems fabrication large diameter pressure vessels, (6Mpa+ ones, not atmospheric ones). We had to import these vessels from overseas fabricators. Even 5 years ago we would still fabricate these in Korea and send them over to China.
I believe they have since overcome these problems since they are building these 14m+ pressure vessels like below.
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Just wondering, for the naval architects, since I don't have much experience with HY-100 and equivalent steel for subs, how transferrable are these breakthroughs for making these vessels with Q345R to HY-100 equivalents? Is everything the same and just change the WPQ/PQRs for the metal or there are alot of niches for HAZ etc that wont allow you to make direct parallels and they have to make more separate breakthroughs?
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Liked the video's insights. It had some nice graphs on China's growing share in LNG shipbuilding. Lack of orders in tankers and bulk carriers could be explained by customers waiting for better engine propulsion or emissions technology.
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Perhaps China could use the momentary reduction of commercial shipbuilding orders to add more warship orders for the PLAN. Doing so would not just increase the fleet size, but also replace older and aging warships that are less capable for the naval warfare environment of today and in the near future.

Major surface warships that need to be replaced: 052, 051B, 052B, Sovremennys, 051C, 054, 053H3, 053H1
Major surface warships that need to be expanded: 075, 055, 052D, 054A
Major surface warships that need to be introduced: 003A, 076, 055B, 057, 054B

There is also the point of keeping the shipyards busy and the workers paid.
 

TK3600

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It is also helpful to build commercial ships cheaply to deindustrialize south korea. It will make sure if a war happen there will be no alternative to Chinese supply chain. It also cripple potential of a hostile larger Korean navy.

Then it is time to expand navy like no tomorrow. By that I mean less than 2 years. Less than 2 years we will see terminal decline of Korean industry. Next on the chopping block is Japanese auto industry. 3 years top. 2025 lets see Japan if they still have number 1 largest auto industry.
 
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