@9dashline bro fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice ,shame on me. Fool me thrice shame on both of us. A shattered trust , sorry means nothing but an empty words with a disdainful act.
Chinese semiconductor industry
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There's a company called Phlexing... LOL!
I want it to be the frontrunner in EDA so it can be Phlexing on America.
I don't think EUV lithography is even that hard. Just takes time and money. A rinky dinky Netherlands and Taiwan and Korea can do it, only reason bigger players haven't is because high cost of entry and low economic return due to niche market. Now it's a national security issue, China will definitely achieve it. Just a matter of when. Just like those who doubted China can ever master atomic bomb, satellites, jet engines, etc...all wrong!
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Huawei OS 3 subscription reached 150 million and expected to reach 200 million at the end of the year
Huawei's own operating system, HarmonyOS3, has been launched, and despite the impact of the US software ban, Huawei has made a huge breakthrough in the ecosystem and returned to rapid growth, senior Executive Yu Chengdong announced at the Huawei Developer Conference.
Huawei's own operating system, HarmonyOS3, has been launched, and despite the impact of the US software ban, Huawei has made a huge breakthrough in the ecosystem and returned to rapid growth, senior Executive Yu Chengdong announced at the Huawei Developer Conference.
This is what U.S. neocons do not understand, necessity is the mother of all inventions, the entirety of human civilization is built out of necessity. By barring companies Huawei and ZTE from buying their tech they have created a tech vacuum ready to be filled by ambitious, smart, dedicated Chinese individuals that in other circumstances they would have had to continue working low-key under the 'bamboo ceiling' of these western companies. Is like the rise of the mammals when the asteroid killed the Dinos.
I mean the US gov (under trump, but the Democrats probably also thought the same) thought that China would just bow down and sign Plaza accord 2.0 after hitting them with sanctions/bans.
But reality is they got surprised pickachu faced about the fact it just made China prioritise and acceralate their own domestic development.
And now? 骑虎难下, in other words hard to actually back down now (what are Americans gonna think? US allies? As well as the rest of the world, neutral or hostile to the US). It be the same as backing down and admitting loss (although they kind of already are doing that, just now less open/more behind the doors now).
Besides all the above, the infighting within the top of the US must be quite fierce now (lol they always talk about political factions and infighting in China with Xi faction etc. But they aren't immune from it either).
But reality is they got surprised pickachu faced about the fact it just made China prioritise and acceralate their own domestic development.
And now? 骑虎难下, in other words hard to actually back down now (what are Americans gonna think? US allies? As well as the rest of the world, neutral or hostile to the US). It be the same as backing down and admitting loss (although they kind of already are doing that, just now less open/more behind the doors now).
Besides all the above, the infighting within the top of the US must be quite fierce now (lol they always talk about political factions and infighting in China with Xi faction etc. But they aren't immune from it either).
Taiwan and Korea didn't do EUV, they still rely on ASML. And the Netherlands didn't do it either, they rely on suppliers from the US and Germany. In fact a big part of the reason why Japan failed is because they tried to do everything domestically rather than relying on international suppliers. At that time (late 2000s) many companies were trying different methods of EUV. Cymer was the one pioneering LPP which wasn't necessarily seen as the most promising at the time. You never know where the best of the best will come from. It could be anywhere. Thus you need the flexibility to use supplies from anywhere in the world. Only once you have the best supplies can you integrate the best product. This is the problem with a "self-sufficiency drive" of trying to localize everything.
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But China is so big unlike Japan and Now there is national drive to build lithography machine and many universities, research institute, private companies were involves. So they try many approaches What make you think China only follow one approach. Like in this video skip to the very last minute They talk something about laser I don't understand maybe some one here can explain
The same way you can reverse engineer an engine used in airplanes, you can also reverse engineer an EUV machine
TLDR: Impossible
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