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Topazchen

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2025 target of 70% self sufficiency is going to smashed at current growth rates. Right on time for Trump 2024-2028. Maybe China will really build a statue for Trump this time for being such a great Chinese patriot.
China by then will probably be 90 % of the US economy and biggest trading partner for 90 of the world's countries.

I pray that Trump gets back to office so that he can finally bury the US and her chip industry.
 

antiterror13

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2025 target of 70% self sufficiency is going to smashed at current growth rates. Right on time for Trump 2024-2028. Maybe China will really build a statue for Trump this time for being such a great Chinese patriot.

Hard to tell, but to me the 70% self sufficiency is not that important. The most important thing is that China is able to build EUV in 2025 and able to produce 7nm or 5nm totally indigenous, including EDA software
 

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2025 target of 70% self sufficiency is going to smashed at current growth rates. Right on time for Trump 2024-2028. Maybe China will really build a statue for Trump this time for being such a great Chinese patriot.
The pressure is growing to implement a full ban on semiconductor manufacturing on china. I Think Chinese companies need to move "pronto" to de-Americanize their technological supply Chain, this is not a question of "nationalism" anymore, this is becoming a survival issue, China hawks are ideological driven and they will not hear not reason. Is probably that in the future if U.S. companies want to sell in China they will have to move their R&D and manufacturing centers to China.

“We've got some companies in the United States that make great equipment for making semiconductors and they want to access the China market,” Pottinger said. “In the long run, that's going to be very bad for us, if we're giving China the means to create a coercive and wholly independent manufacturing capability.” He said the U.S. should aim to “forgo some of those short-term smaller profits now in order to grow a much larger pie after that.”
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Agnus

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If Trump was in charge, they would have been a '' full blown semiconductor ban'' for sure. Xiaomi got off the blacklist due to Qualcom pulling strings from the side. If Biden doesn't get his domestic agenda he might give into GOP pressure to do it as well.
 

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Hard to tell, but to me the 70% self sufficiency [by 2025] is not that important. The most important thing is that China is able to build EUV in 2025 and able to produce 7nm or 5nm totally indigenous, including EDA software

One step at a time. Be patient. In just a few years, the Middle Kingdom's lithography will be as good as anyone else's. In the mean time, China can quite easily dominate the 28+ nm markets; if that happens, it will do a great deal of damage to the US. We can almost thank Americans for starting the tech war -- and committing semiconductor suicide.
 
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ansy1968

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One step at a time. Be patient. In just a few years, the Middle Kingdom's lithography will be as good as anyone else's. In the mean time, China can quite easily dominate the 28+ nm markets; if that happens, it will do a great deal of damage to the US. We can almost thank Americans for starting the tech war -- and committing semiconductor suicide.
@Nutrient bro they give us the greatest motivation....LOL, I just want to repeat what others had said this tech war is the greatest gift the American had given us. And now the West is frighten by what the current Chinese Communist system can do, they can allocate the required resources and focus in achieving the desired result. The pandemic respond is an example of CCP organization management skill, what more if threaten by war, I think there are certain personality in the US military that had taken note and might raise alarm that confronting the Chinese militarily is the wrong way in pursuing an American agenda. Hope the civilian authority heed those concern cause from what I see, the Chinese are not in a compromising mode and so are the stubborn US leadership.
 

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@Nutrient bro they give us the greatest motivation....LOL, I just want to repeat what others had said this tech war is the greatest gift the American had given us. And now the West is frighten by what the current Chinese Communist system can do, they can allocate the required resources and focus in achieving the desired result. The pandemic respond is an example of CCP organization management skill, what more if threaten by war, I think there are certain personality in the US military that had taken note and might raise alarm that confronting the Chinese militarily is the wrong way in pursuing an American agenda. Hope the civilian authority heed those concern cause from what I see, the Chinese are not in a compromising mode and so are the stubborn US leadership.
America is led by religious fanatics; they won't care about the consequences of their actions because their cult mentality believes it won't matter in the end, that after the great inferno of nuclear holocaust these white anglos will be swept up on a magic carpet ride to paradise or some shit.
 

ansy1968

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America is led by religious fanatics; they won't care about the consequences of their actions because their cult mentality believes it won't matter in the end, that after the great inferno of nuclear holocaust these white anglos will be swept up on a magic carpet ride to paradise or some shit.
@DarkStar bro as much as possible I don't want to experience WW3 in my lifetime but the way the world is going I fear the worst, most sympathetic Chinese expert I heard and read even criticized the Chinese for being assertive, as in WHAT? If you listen to the Duran where Alexander Mercouris a known geopolitics expert analyst ( I'm a fan of his) had said about the Chinese overconfidence that may led to miscalculation. I disagree and might ask him to look at what the Americans are doing is tantamount to WAR and the Chinese current respond is muted at best.
 
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