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gelgoog

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A ready/future customer for SMIC , if they able to put its 7nm N+1 to fruition. Right now they contracted their production to TSMC for their 28nm and 6nm chips.
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Unisoc, a China-based supplier of mobile communications chipsets and IoT chipsets, announced on October 10 the Tiger T710 development board, an octa-core high-performance artificial intelligence motherboard powered by Unisoc AI processor Tiger T710.
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Is it true that a lot of HiSilicon staff moved to Unisoc? If that's true then China might get a real competitor for MediaTek and Qualcomm.
This might hurt the US silicon industry more than Huawei ever did.
 

broadsword

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China has already reached vertical integration of the supply chain of solar module manufacturing for quite some time. I think there are at least two companies. Longi is one.

Edit: Jinko, Solargiga, JA Solar also
 

free_6ix9ine

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Like I said they cut wafers from silicon ingots but AFAIK they don't produce the ingots. I would be glad to be proven wrong though.
Latest generation chip fabs use 300mm (~12in) diameter silicon wafers which are cut from ingots.

I'm sure it's been done somewhere in a lab at a university in China. This is somewhat similar to producing single crystal turbine blades. The main bottleneck is figuring out a high yield production process.
 

hullopilllw

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I love this nonsense how if China makes chips on its own, it still has to have the acceptance of the US in order for it to be successful. China is a continent size market. It can survive on the domestic market alone. The only other country that can say that is the US. Every other country that wants to have 1st world standard of living needs to sell to other countries in order to maintain that standard of living. China still has room to grow. The US is a saturated market. That's why overseas markets are more important than ever to US corporations. If the US has the mindset to seek new markets, then they would be looking to develop them. The US only talks about Africa because China is there. Before China no Western country thought about developing new markets because it was too expensive for them. Their governments can only give simple aid. Private corporations aren't developing anything unless they own it. The West talks about Africa now because China built the infrastructure in those very countries they talk about for them to be able to conduct business.

So why is China as they say the engine of the world economy and not the US? It's because China is the one that engages directly with the world economy more than the US. China is the factory of the world because it does all the logistical work for foreign corporations. China builds the factories that foreign corporations don't want to spend their own money on building. China has the shipping fleets that buys the raw materials from around the world that are used to make the products for foreign corporations. I hear Americans think they can take those factories in China back to the US as if they own them. And that's a reason why US corporations are reluctant to leave China because they don't have to pay for those things which they will having to bring those jobs back home or even to another country like Vietnam who don't have shipping fleets to buy their own raw materials from overseas. If Vietnam had to that, they wouldn't be so appealing to foreign corporations to outsource because the costs would skyrocket. They want to eliminate China from the picture and everything in the world will costs more and corporations around the world will go bankrupt. The dummies out there think everyone will still being buying normally. No, when things get more expensive, they will be buying less. That kills profits and then they go bankrupt especially If China is not buying from them in retaliation. That's why don't think the US can order the world not to do business with China. Yes the US plan would work if they thought China would do nothing in retaliation and continued to buy from them normally or more while they boycott China. If their goals were to be achieved, China wouldn't have money to buy anything from them.

Their plans are going to fail and the hurt will blowback on them. That's why it's all a bluff. A game of chicken they think they'll win meaning they hope China blinks first. Pompeo says a meeting with Chinese officials is being planned. Why? If the US was so omnipotent that it can order the world not to do business with China at all, no need to meet since the US has all the power. Is it because Trump is afraid China will take actions that will hurt the US economy and "give assurances" to them so they don't act before the election?

The world is a lot more complicated than the naysayers think.

I found this talk by Prof.沈. Eerily similar in context to what you post.

- China's market will outgrow US' in sheer size and be the eventual consuner market for the world. This is also the main aim for the newly announced "dual-circulation" strategy, a brainchild of Liu He.

- Few companies and nations will be able to carry out US' demand for them to cut off business relation with China because there is simply no alternative to China, both as a production base and a market.

- What the US essentially seek is to cut engagement temporarily in hope of reengaging that put US in control of Chinese economy. Same as your game of chicken theory.

- China identies that, so from now on for every tech supplies US cut Chinese access to, China will cut out their market access and replace them with home grown supply chain Permanently.

 
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gelgoog

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That article sounds interesting. I hope their expansion plans were done as intended. The wafers might still not be adequate for top notch chip production (which is more demanding than solar cells) but at least if the industry is there it will just be a matter of expansion and improving quality control not starting it from scratch.
 

Petrolicious88

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I found this talk by Prof.沈. Eerily similar in context to what you post.

- China's market will outgrow US' in sheer size and be the eventual consuner market for the world. This is also the main aim for the newly announced "dual-circulation" strategy, a brainchild of Liu He.

- Few companies and nations will be able to carry out US' demand for them to cut off business relation with China because there is simply no alternative to China, both as a production base and a market.

- What the US essentially seek is to cut engagement temporarily in hope of reengaging that put US in control of Chinese economy. Same as your game of chicken theory.

- China identies that, so from now on for every tech supplies US cut Chinese access to, China will cut out their market access and replace them with home grown supply chain Permanently.

Chinese domestic GDP per capita needs to drastic by quite a bit for dual circulation to succeed.
 

gelgoog

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Chinese domestic GDP per capita needs to drastic by quite a bit for dual circulation to succeed.

Don't expect Chinese GDP per capita to ever get near G8 nation levels if the US sanctions China. Nor is GDP per capita in USD that important of a metric. The US controls the USD so comparing against it on that metric is fruitless. If it's GDP in PPP then it makes more sense.
 

hullopilllw

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Chinese domestic GDP per capita needs to drastic by quite a bit for dual circulation to succeed.

Indeed, It means the Chinese consumer market will be a substantial engine of growth for both China's internal development(be it local tech sectors etc) and the external companies(no matter their goods being produced outside or in China). What China has is the time to work all her strategies out.

1. By maintaining healthy growth figure for the already competitive(by world standard) coastal provinces.
2. State investment to specifically eliminate poverty(not extreme poverty since those are mainly solved by 2020), especially so in the inland/Western side of China. Doing so will meant the start of unleashing the real untapped potential of China's consumer market.
3. Pushing on with the Land Silk Route of BRI to strengthen economic trade link with Eurasia through Chengdu and Xinjiang being crucial to Point No. 2
4. Ensure key nations participate in the development of initiatves under BRI is running smoothly, like Chongqing Initiative done with Singapore to further liberazte trade with South East Asia.
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