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quantumlight

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Explain to me why an American instigated war with China should not touch the US homeland.
America is free to hit Shenzen and Shanghai but LA and New York are off limits in retaliation?

Anyway once China achieves 28nm and 14nm full independence in 2023 or thereabouts, I'm pretty sure the Americans will come around and realize they were overreacting.

They'll do something to save
Their is no turning back... US is going to triple down... its too late for a reverse anyway, once that trust is broken its gone forever. US has bet the house on sabetaging China to prevent China from catching up, its the only card it has left to play.
 

emblem21

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Their is no turning back... US is going to triple down... its too late for a reverse anyway, once that trust is broken its gone forever. US has bet the house on sabetaging China to prevent China from catching up, its the only card it has left to play.
This is something that the US can only do now but their is a cost, if they fail and they manage to bite off more they can chew and they convince both China, Russia and the rest of the world (none white of course) that the only way that these nations can have peace and the ability to develop without any interference from the west ever again is to basically wipe them out completely, they may be slowly building there strengths and waiting for the right moment to basically cut off the entire USA grid and pick the nation apart in the slowest and most painful way imaginable and then basically do as the Germans did to the Jews given that people like Pompeo and Trump and even Biden have demonstrated that taking the worlds of the USA right now is basically worth about as much as what the dollar is really worth and have also shown that they will murder anyone that tries to do the right thing. So I guess if it comes down to it, will China and Russia have the stomach to basically cleanse the world of Anglo Saxons. I don't endorse this btw but given how the USA and its allies have made it no secret that they wish to enslave China forever with lies and guilt tripping and have demonstrated a wanton lust for bombing those who cannot fight back and is basically happy to gas light the victims like the cowards they are, well I cannot see any other way. I mean the USA is basically allowed to target Chinese firms for reasons not backed up by evidence, yet they throw a childish stink when the same is done in return. Something has got to give and push the USA in a position of true weakness, one where not only the USA but Canada, UK and Australia will have no choice but to beg for forgiveness. But I guess it will be a matter of time
 

gelgoog

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Notice how Putin when they had the confrontation on the Russia-Ukraine border he just said that Russia would attack the "decision centers" in case they had a conflict with Ukraine. Regardless of where the decision centers were and that he did not mean just Kiev. The US scaled down after that. One example was they sent their ships which they planned to send into the Black Sea back. China needs to do the same and make it clear they won't accept proxy attacks.
 

manqiangrexue

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Yeah I agree they should have hired Tidalwave last I heard he wrote to them and also Huawei CEO

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LOL No. No tech company ever needs to hire a person whose logic is, "If you can't prove my random statement wrong, then it's right," and "I'm not going to show you evidence for my claim because I'm not gonna give you what you want!" A person who thinks like this is not capable of logical design. And Huawei knew this so they put him on their ignore list despite his incessant harassment.

How do you know about tidalwave? That account was banned in May 2020 and your profile says you joined October 2020.
 

quantumlight

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LOL No. No tech company ever needs to hire a person whose logic is, "If you can't prove my random statement wrong, then it's right," and "I'm not going to show you evidence for my claim because I'm not gonna give you what you want!" A person who thinks like this is not capable of logical design. And Huawei knew this so they put him on their ignore list despite his incessant harassment.

How do you know about tidalwave? That account was banned in May 2020 and your profile says you joined October 2020.

I did forum search for ASML and lasers and found the above thread...
 

Red Moon

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...a person whose logic is, "If you can't prove my random statement wrong, then it's right," and "I'm not going to show you evidence for my claim...
This can serve as a definition of "conspiracy theory", and usually, the "evidence" is a secret report, a secret meeting, and conjecture. And the person you are discussing with is the current #1 conspiracy theorist on SDF! If he is not Tidalwave himself, he is probably familiar with AscendChina forum which is his baby. A few people here follow are familiar with this.
 

Wangxi

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China top-3 foundries to see combined revenue hit record high in 2021, says Digitimes Research

China's top-3 pure-play foundries are expected to see their combined revenue grow 16% on year to hit another record high in 2021, buoyed by continued strong demand for power devices, CMOS image sensors, radio-frequency ICs and other chip solutions demanding specialty-node manufacturing, according to Digitimes Research.

Combined revenue of Semiconductor Manufacturing International (SMIC), Huahong Group and CSMC Technologies surged over 20% to a record high of US$6.3 billion in 2020,
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Despite negative macro factors including the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic and US-China trade war, the top-3 pure-play foundries will still enjoy a strong 2021 as customers continue to ramp up orders particularly those demanding specialty process fabrication. Favorable product mix and wafer ASPs are also contributing factors.

Combined revenue of China's top-3 pure-play foundries will come to US$7.3 billion in 2021, a record high for the second consecutive year, forecasts Digitimes Research.

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China needs to localize chip manufacuring. US suddenly realized its vulnerabilities with Taiwan manufacturing the bulk of its chips, and, as a consequence, wants to produce chips locally in US. The EU is allocating substantial amount of money to start producing chips in the EU territory. Japan is now intending to return to its former glory.

What is going to happen to Taiwan?

Instead of being threatened by mainland China, Taiwan should beg to get back to being part of PRC.

It would solve both PRC's and ROC's problems, while screwing th US.
 

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China needs to localize chip manufacuring. US suddenly realized its vulnerabilities with Taiwan manufacturing the bulk of its chips, and, as a consequence, wants to produce chips locally in US. The EU is allocating substantial amount of money to start producing chips in the EU territory. Japan is now intending to return to its former glory.

What is going to happen to Taiwan?

Instead of being threatened by mainland China, Taiwan should beg to get back to being part of PRC.

It would solve both PRC's and ROC's problems, while screwing th US.
Given all of Taiwanese "freedom", they haven't figured out that they are just canon fodder to contain China. This stuff is literally written in us policies and strategic papers. EastAsians for a period has worship the west since it was more advance/economically powerful/educated and believing the west as absolute truth, they don't understand everything that is done is to keep the west/anglo in the dominate power.

China needs to create and popularize at least one complete tech ecosysetm... it's own isa, chip manufacturing, and os.
 

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Given all of Taiwanese "freedom", they haven't figured out that they are just canon fodder to contain China. This stuff is literally written in us policies and strategic papers. EastAsians for a period has worship the west since it was more advance/economically powerful/educated and believing the west as absolute truth, they don't understand everything that is done is to keep the west/anglo in the dominate power.

China needs to create and popularize at least one complete tech ecosysetm... it's own isa, chip manufacturing, and os.

There is a hierarchical order in the world.

In some minds, there are the whites, the honorary whites, and then the Chinese. Next after are the Indians and blacks.

As unseemly that sounds, that is their conviction. That will never change regardless of "evidence."

China should do two things, which they always were doing.

1. China should be patient.

2. China should always express their objection to this type of ideology, as that should have no future in this world.

Other than that, they are too chicken shit to start a shooting war against China, so the original plan remains, of development.

China will get to work, and continue working.

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