If I am not mistaken I remembere from an article that they were using American EDA tools for designing. So I guess they cant use them now
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If they purchased the license they can keep using, but won’t have any support
Yeah China is basically forced to develop the entire fab supply chain which is something that if achieved, would bring China's to the level of Korea and Japan? The two closest to having the entire ecosystem? The US controls everything indirectly from Netherlands to Germany, South Korea to Japan, and Taiwan but they don't have it all under their roof. If China can manage this within 5 or so years, even to a degree that isn't market competitive, it would put it at an impressive and near peerless league (save for US which we could consider as the "owner" of the other five primary suppliers each with their own niches).
Why do you think they are incapable of doing so? When all that's left seems to be EUV lithography (with the others either mastered, near mastered or obsolete but still usable?) and EDA tools. That's two things within the domain of diminishing Moore's law silicon semiconductors within 5 years or so.
If I understand this field correctly, China's own is far from market leading but it's damn sure second place to the group of five suppliers Netherlands, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and Germany held by the US puppet master. There are no third places. Niche fields exist in UK of course but when it comes to fab I don't think so? Russia and India are around the same level and well behind even this but they do have access to the entire set of supply chain equipment which China is now totally banned from. What China's got without the bans are market leading. Without the latest EUV lithography machines and EPA tools, China cannot be market competitive and can only depend on stockpiled supplies of chips for uses because it cannot manufacture <28nm without at least those two things.
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For tools, there have been discussions that 7nm is still within reach using indigenous tooling.
Again what I am curious about right now are the material and chemical. News about indigenous material and chemical seem rare.
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Japan. Korea doesn't make its own lithographic tools or other IC equipment.
Wasn't there news some time ago that China could fabricate 12 inch wafers or something?
Remember in 2015 when Obama (and VP Joe Biden) banned Intel chips for Chinese Supercomputers? Didn't China develop their own indigenous chips for their Supercomputers that became among the top 3 or top 5 in the world?
So this is consistent of Obama-era officials, bans on supercomputing-related tech. This is no surprise actually. Still a significant level lower than Trump-era bans on actual Chinese tech (TikTok, WeChat, Huawei, ZTE, etc...).
It's largely symbolic action since Chinese already LEAD the US in supercomputing race in total Supercomputers, so Biden isn't even really targeting anything important.
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Yes but they banned them from using American EDA tools and maybe they banned them from using TSMC 7nm process (US tech yada yada..)
it is obvious now that US will go all the way with this pressure point... I'd bet my last dollar the GPU ban for China is coming soon... the US policy has crossed the Rubicon on this semiconductor issue and there is no turning back, only tripling down... likewise for China, the only way out of this is to become independent as quickly as possible, there are no other options unless China wants to unconditionally surrender to the West because that is what is essentially at stake at this point
Yep, when they played the Chip card there was no coming back from it. So the US might decide to go all in now and not to wait until 2025 when China would have developed strong domestic capabilities
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