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Intresting quote from a big shrimp.
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Note that UPrecision’s DWS revenue is divided into two types, one is direct sales of complete machines, and the other is technology development. The former corresponds to the dry type, and the latter corresponds to the immersion type, because the latter is essentially paid for by Smee. UPrecision develops it, so UPrecision can only provide technology.
 

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Intresting quote from a big shrimp.
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Note that UPrecision’s DWS revenue is divided into two types, one is direct sales of complete machines, and the other is technology development. The former corresponds to the dry type, and the latter corresponds to the immersion type, because the latter is essentially paid for by Smee. UPrecision develops it, so UPrecision can only provide technology.
so basically, UPrecision filings cannot tell us the status of the immersion program. It can only tell us the status and order book for the dry scanner.

What is the deal with this .

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this is the kind of stuff that really infuriates me. We discussed this when the original news came out, that this was just stocked up chips. I've mentioned that almost every time this news gave rebirth of itself. And people are still asking questions about it.
 

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3 of the top SiC players in China's semi industry talking
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CR Micro - says it has invested in GaN epitaxy, SiC substrate and SiC epitaxy. looks like it has quite a few SiC product with different automakers under qualitifcation

SMEC - they are already at 5000 wafers per month. 90% of its SiC MOSFET chips and modules are used on NEV eDrive inverter. So they are very critical to China's EV industry already

planning to build 8-inch SiC production line which will go into product in 2024. Of all the SiC players in China, watch out for SMEC imo. most capable of the power chip foundries

SiCC - its SiC substrate will not longer sub imports, but also be exported
 

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VeriSilicon announced that it has achieved a successful tapeout of 5nm SoC

VeriSilicon's recent investor relations activity record shows that in terms of advanced semiconductor process nodes, the company already has successful tape-out experience of 14nm/10nm/7nm FinFET and 28nm/22nm FD-SOI process node chips, and has currently achieved 5nm SoC Taped out successfully once, multiple 5nm one-stop service projects are being implemented

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National Micro-Nano Headquarters Project to build the third-generation semiconductor gallium nitride and silicon carbide epitaxial equipment headquarters base​


Suzhou Guowei Nano Semiconductor Equipment Co., Ltd. is mainly engaged in the research and development, production and sales of third-generation semiconductor gallium nitride and silicon carbide epitaxial equipment. Through technological innovation, the company has enabled the same equipment platform to meet the needs of both gallium nitride and silicon carbide. The technology and R&D equipment involve 6-inch and 8-inch, and we are committed to completing the domestic replacement of third-generation semiconductor core equipment. The total investment of Guowei Nano's headquarters settled this time is nearly 700 million yuan, aiming to build a third-generation semiconductor gallium nitride and silicon carbide epitaxial equipment headquarters base.

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Zhongning Silicon Industry received 800 million yuan in strategic financing​


According to news on January 4, Zhejiang Zhongning Silicon Co., Ltd. (hereinafter referred to as "Zhongning Silicon") completed a new round of strategic financing. This financing was led by Wutongshu Capital, with investment from Quzhou Holdings, SAIC Hengxu, and China Securities Co., Ltd. Datong and many other institutions followed the investment. This round of financing will support the company to further expand production scale, enhance technology research and development capabilities, and accelerate product iterations and updates.
Founded in 2007, Zhongning Silicon Industry is a national-level high-tech enterprise and a national-level "specialized, special and innovative" small giant enterprise. As a high-purity silane and polysilicon manufacturer, Zhongning Silicon has built a solar-grade polysilicon project in three phases, introduced silane process technology to produce polysilicon, and used the silane method to produce high-purity silane, solar-grade polysilicon and electronic-grade polysilicon, providing high-purity Silane gas, zone melting polysilicon, nano silicon powder, etc.

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Customers don't want nVidia's downgraded chips-

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This article is behind a subscription, I wish I could read the entirety of it.

Anyway, the heading says it all. America it seems cannot have the cake and eat it too. If it wants to restrict Chinese semiconductor and A.I growth, it's companies will suffer too.

Soon, this realization will be reflected in stock prices of US tech stocks which have been on a tear.
 

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For anyone who runs into the paywall

Nvidia’s New China Pickle: Customers Don’t Want Its Downgraded Chips​

Chinese buyers are pushing back against the lower-powered AI chips it hopes to sell to them in response to U.S. export curbs​

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The U.S. tech company may have found some wiggle room, but it faces a bigger problem: Chinese cloud companies—some of Nvidia’s biggest customers globally—aren’t so keen on buying its lower-powered AI chips.
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and Tencent are among China’s biggest cloud companies that have been testing Nvidia samples since November. They have indicated to Nvidia that they would order far fewer chips from the company this year than they had originally planned to buy of its
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, people familiar with the matter said.
In the short term, Nvidia’s downgrading of its processors is narrowing the performance gap with local alternatives, making China-made chips increasingly attractive to buyers.

Alibaba and Tencent are shifting some advanced semiconductor orders to homegrown companies such as Huawei Technologies and relying more on chips they can develop in-house, the people said. So too are China’s other top two buyers—AI pioneer
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and TikTok owner ByteDance.
In the longer term, Chinese buyers are uncertain about Nvidia’s ability to continue to supply them, given U.S. regulators have pledged to review the chip-export controls regularly and could further tighten performance limits, the people said. Tech firms are modifying their business strategies to prepare for a future with less access to Nvidia’s products, and to avoid the costly process of constantly adjusting their technology to adapt to new chips.

For Santa Clara, Calif.-based Nvidia, threading the needle between the demands of U.S. regulators and supplying chips that Chinese clients need is getting more difficult. The company has
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for its earlier chips, and China is one of its biggest markets, historically contributing about a fifth of its revenue.
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Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang has acknowledged Huawei as a ‘formidable competitor’ to the company in China. Photo: Walid Berrazeg/Zuma Press
Nvidia’s chips are currently in
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. Nonetheless, geopolitical tensions pose the longer-term risk of lost sales in the world’s second-biggest economy, which is pursuing AI development as a strategic priority.
Chinese cloud companies currently source around 80% of high-end AI chips from Nvidia, and that is likely to decline to 50%-60% in the next five years, said Frank Kung, an analyst at tech-research firm TrendForce. He added that tightening U.S. chip controls in the future would create additional pressure on Nvidia’s China sales.

Nvidia said it is working to offer products that comply with U.S. rules to customers worldwide.

Nvidia has said it doesn’t see a short-term financial impact from restrictions on shipment of its AI chips to China because it can find other buyers for them. But Chief Financial Officer Colette Kress said last year that in the long run, prohibiting the sale of AI chips in China would keep the U.S. industry from being able to compete and lead in one of the world’s largest markets.

Switching to Huawei Chips

Over the past two years, the Biden administration has imposed two rounds of export sanctions to curtail China’s access to advanced chips and technology that the U.S. says Beijing could use to advance its military and surveillance capabilities. Nvidia Chief Executive Jensen Huang has said he
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and is working with customers in China to get export licenses.
After the first curbs in October 2022, Nvidia modified the chips it sold in China by scaling back their performance to fall below the thresholds that would require U.S. government oversight. It sold more than $1 billion worth of such chips to Chinese customers in 2023.

When the U.S. a year later
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without a license, the chip maker developed another new lineup of less powerful processors for Chinese buyers, which it plans to release early this year, The Wall Street Journal
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. Last month, Nvidia launched the GeForce RTX 4090 D, a modified version of its top-of-the-line gaming chip adapted after the latest U.S. curbs.
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Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo met in August with Chinese Premier Li Qiang during a trip in which export controls were high on her agenda.Photo: Rao Aimin/Zuma Press
Chinese companies have been testing samples of Nvidia’s new highest-performing AI chip in the coming lineup, called the H20. The chip allows data to transmit among multiple processors efficiently, making it a better option than homegrown alternatives for building chip clusters needed to handle the computational workloads of AI, some testers said.

Still, testers said they needed more of the H20s to simulate the computing power that they got from Nvidia’s previous chips, increasing their costs.

The most advanced Chinese chips are as capable of handling inference—in which a trained AI model comes up with predictions—and less complex training tasks as are U.S. chips, developers say.

Huawei, acknowledged by Nvidia’s Huang to be a “formidable competitor” to the firm in China, is gaining ground at the expense of the U.S. chip maker.

In 2023, Huawei received orders for at least 5,000 Ascend 910B chips from major Chinese internet companies, people familiar with the matter said. The chip is considered the closest available Chinese alternative to Nvidia’s export-barred high-performance A100.

The chips are meant to be delivered through 2024, they said, as Huawei faces production constraints because of U.S. sanctions.

Chinese official procurements, such as those from state-owned telecom operators, have called for the adoption of homegrown chips such as Huawei’s.
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acquired about $390 million worth of AI servers powered by Huawei chips in October, while
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spent at least $20 million in 2022, according to company purchasing documents.
Huawei has stepped up efforts to
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and plans to launch a new high-end AI chip as soon as the second half of 2024, the people said.
A few government-backed AI computing centers have sourced Huawei’s chips since the U.S. imposed curbs in 2022.

AI App Maker Skips Nvidia Chips

Alibaba’s chip arm, T-Head, is also developing a new specific-purpose AI processor under its Hanguang label, people familiar with the matter said.

“If the restrictions are likely to only get tighter in the next few years, you’d better start thinking about alternatives now,” said a senior executive at Alibaba Cloud.

The frenzy over generative AI earlier last year
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as major Chinese companies and startups tried to develop their own large language models. Now, many smaller players are scaling back such efforts and shifting to focus on AI applications.
Kenneth Yang, a Shanghai-based co-founder of a healthcare AI startup, said he plans to skip Nvidia’s latest China-focused chips and lease AI processing power from Baidu or Huawei instead.

“It’s about spending money in a smart way,” said Yang, who is developing a nursing-care app.

Engineers at Chinese technology companies say Nvidia’s chips will remain a purchasing priority over the next 12 months, given Nvidia’s more extensive product ecosystem and as local alternatives continue to be in short supply.

In the longer run, U.S. curbs are likely to push the Chinese to develop their own technologies, said Kevin Xu, founder of hedge fund Interconnected Capital, who authors a newsletter about tech and geopolitics.

“After this current phase of stockpiling is done, Nvidia’s China business will become a sacrificial lamb,” he said.

—Asa Fitch and Yuka Hayashi contributed to this article.

Write to Raffaele Huang at [email protected]
 
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