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KYli

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why punish Japan when it's the US behind the scenes? If anything China needs to show the advantages of working with them as opposed to the US.
Punishing Japan is a must because it serves as a deterrence to other countries so that they would think twice if they went along with the US to undermine Chinese interests. It doesn't matter if Japan were a willing or not willing participant. As long as Japan acted against Chinese interests, then there would be consequences.

There is no working with vassals. Japan can either resist or succumb under pressure. And Japan decided to succumb without even giving a fight. In addition, Japan has been and always been the most active China threat advocate. So there is no reason not punishing Japan.
 

PeoplesPoster

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Punishing Japan is a must because it serves as a deterrence to other countries so that they would think twice if they went along with the US to undermine Chinese interests. It doesn't matter if Japan were a willing or not willing participant. As long as Japan acted against Chinese interests, then there would be consequences.

There is no working with vassals. Japan can either resist or succumb under pressure. And Japan decided to succumb without even giving a fight. In addition, Japan has been and always been the most active China threat advocate. So there is no reason not punishing Japan.
Perhaps, but punishing Japan or any other US vassal in the end only helps accomplish the US goal of decoupling from China. The US pushes it's vassals to sanction China, China then turns around the sanctions the vassal, in the end it just makes it that much easier for them to shut down business with China. Smarter play may be to do targeted sanctions against Japanese companies that work with US defense or space agencies etc, claims its for national security.
 

horse

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Bloomberg says that the deal could happen as soon as Friday
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It's late Friday afternoon. Almost 4:00 PM EST.

It's time for Bloomberg to put up or shut up!

Of course, we know what will happen.

Bloomberg will do neither.

And so, the propaganda tales continue like the American afternoon soap operas.

Are there still soap operas on TV? I am kind of out of it. LOL.

:oops: :D
 

tphuang

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Update:
Deal has been reached
No public announcement for now. Implementation could take "months" (grace period?)
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I mean this is kind of what we expected. No real announcement because Dutch want other european countries to sign on also. Going to take months to implement which makes sense because they just want to get the Americans off their back and they now need to go through their legal process in Europe.

We will have to see which immersion model gets banned but my guess is anything more advanced than 1980i.

And pretty sure this will not affect after service support.

As for Japan, I think they will retaliate against them. This will be an excuse for them to hurt Japanese industries. Remember this isn't about revenge. This is about helping Chinese industries.
 

horse

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I mean this is kind of what we expected. No real announcement because Dutch want other european countries to sign on also. Going to take months to implement which makes sense because they just want to get the Americans off their back and they now need to go through their legal process in Europe.

1. This whole episode seems bizarre. Seems to be a case of too little too late anyways. They just doing these bans for show.

2. It is still important, provided that this ban is real, which no one knows, lol. This is really a sign of how far decoupling can go, and how much China will hit back.

3. These people are the same people who cannot send a few tanks to the Ukraine.

:D
 

ZeEa5KPul

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I mean this is kind of what we expected. No real announcement because Dutch want other european countries to sign on also. Going to take months to implement which makes sense because they just want to get the Americans off their back and they now need to go through their legal process in Europe.

We will have to see which immersion model gets banned but my guess is anything more advanced than 1980i.

And pretty sure this will not affect after service support.

As for Japan, I think they will retaliate against them. This will be an excuse for them to hurt Japanese industries. Remember this isn't about revenge. This is about helping Chinese industries.
We need to take a step back and first establish that this is happening anywhere outside Bloomberg's private reality. Unless someone else with some credibility reports it like - loathe as I am to admit it - The Wall Street Journal, this is fake news.
 
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