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I think this part is talking about HQ-7, basically saying that a lot of work was done to improve the low altitude engagements against planes. Talked about how after this system was improved, they had problem with low altitude targeting and having problem accurately shooting down these targets. But after these upgrade, the problems were solved. And also in June of this year, a new type of plane counter measure system appeared to provide a good tool to simulate a complex electronic environment.
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This is recent news on Chinese Russian-made SAMs and their placements
Any comments or response?
Analysis: China to get SAMs from Russia
Published: May 2, 2008 at 6:04 PM
By ANDREI CHANG
HONG KONG, May 2 (UPI) -- Russia will deliver to China four battalions of 200-kilometer-range S-300PMU2 surface-to-air missiles this summer, the last batch in a series ordered by China. The first batch of four battalions of the same missiles was delivered in July 2007.
Starting in 1993, China received 12 battalions of S-300 SAMs, four of them S-300PMUs and eight S-300PMU1s. This means there are a total of 20 battalions of S-300 SAMs deployed in China. These missiles are expected to play a major role in China's core air defense system.
These missiles now cover the whole of the Chinese coast facing the Taiwan Strait. Positions previously covered by HQ-2 ground-to-air missiles have been upgraded to S-300 launch positions.
In the combat theater centered on the city of Fuzhou in Fujian province, Longtian Airport is armed with S-300s, which are intended to cover the whole northern section of the combat area. The S-300PMU1/2s deployed along the Taiwan Strait are right along the coastline, providing the first line of air defense for the operations of AWACS and bombers behind the front lines.
Since H-6H bombers are armed with long-range YJ-63 air-to-surface missiles, the KJ-200/2000 AWACS and H-6H/Ks outer-line protection is supported by the S-300 SAMs. These land-based SAM systems will provide effective protection against attacks from the air.
The objective of deploying S-300 SAMs at Longtian and Huian Airport is to protect the airports during a confrontation, and provide emergency landing sites for damaged combat aircraft. The mainstay third generation fighter aircraft including Su-27, J-11, Su-30 and J-10A fighters will not directly use these airport facilities due to their long flight ranges.
Originally, there was one S-300 position and one HQ-2 ground-to-air missile position at Longtian Airport. The S-300 position is composed of four launch vehicles and uses 64N6E search radar. This indicates that the ground-to-air missiles deployed at this airport are at least S-300PMU1s, because in the early phase the first batch of these missiles imported from Russia used ST-68UM (36D6) search radar produced by the Ukrainian Iskra Industrial Complex.
One battalion of the PLA Air Force's S-300PMU1 missiles normally uses four launch vehicles. The HQ-2 ground-to-air missile launch positions originally deployed at Longtian Airport are probably being rebuilt at the present time. A standard HQ-2 launch position usually has six launch sites, but currently the position has a layout of four launch sites and is equipped with a new warehouse. This is very likely prepared for the deployment of the S-300s. Nonetheless, the latest Google Earth satellite images show that S-300 missiles have not yet taken up this position.
Huian Airport is located in the north-central section of the Fujian coast directly facing the Taiwan Strait, and S-300s are also deployed at this airport. Besides, S-300 SAM positions have also been built in the Xindian area close to the city of Xiamen, where HQ-2 SAM positions have been upgraded to S-300 positions.
The HQ-2 positions in the Jiaomei area have also been rebuilt into S-300 positions. An analysis of images of the two positions released by Google Earth indicates that S-300 missiles have not yet been deployed here, however. HQ-2 SAMs were originally deployed at Zhengzhou Airport. The structure of the position currently being rebuilt is rather blurry. It is worth watching whether S-300 SAMs will be deployed here in the future.
In sum, there are five S-300 positions and two HQ-2 positions along the Taiwan Strait, the latter two located at Zhengzhou and Shantou Airports, with altogether 20 S-300 launchers. The No.2 Ground-to-Air Missile Brigade is stationed in this area.
S-300 positions are also found under construction in Beijing and Qingdao. The missiles have been sighted at the Zhonghuabu position near Qingdao, indicating this is the newest S-300 position, probably intended for the deployment of the latest S-300PMU2s. The importance of Qingdao lies in that the S-300s deployed here can be used to provide protection for the PLA Navy's No.1 Nuclear Submarine Base currently under expansion.
Almost all the S-300PMU1s are concentrated around Beijing. The No. 5 Ground-to-Air Missile Division was the first air defense unit to receive the S-300 missiles. It deserves close attention whether the No. 6 Ground-to-Air Division has been equipped with, or will receive, S-300 SAMs.
A new HQ-9 ground-to-air missile position has been observed at Fangezhuang, indicating that at least two battalions of HQ-9s are now under operational deployment. The first HQ-9 launch position was discovered at Jiuquan. Different from the S-300 position, the HQ-9 position is rectangular in shape, with eight launch sites. This means that one launch battalion is composed of eight launch vehicles, and the fire control radar is placed in the middle of the rectangular-shaped launch position.
At the outer rim of the launch position, circular roads connect the launch sites to enhance mobility and logistic efficiency. The deployment of HQ-9s in Beijing means that China's air defense capability has improved greatly, with a network that provides multiple-system, long-range and deep air defense. However, observers outside China have little knowledge of the technical parameters of the HQ-9. At least six S-300 SAM positions have been noticed around the Beijing region.
Other S-300 positions have been identified in Dalian and Lushun. This region is given special attention as it occupies a strategically important location; any aerial attacks upon Beijing launched by U.S. forces based on the Korean peninsula would have to go through this region.
Another major city currently protected by S-300 SAMs is of course Shanghai, where the No. 3 Ground-to-Air Missile Brigade is stationed. The Nichung and Minhang S-300 positions to the south of Shanghai are very close to the shore, and are obviously intended to deal with air attacks on Shanghai by Taiwan's tactical air force units in the event of a confrontation.
The 64N6E search radar used by S-300 SAM systems has also been sighted in the area close to Gongjialu, which very likely transmits aerial information data to other S-300 positions deployed in the neighboring area. One S-300 position is found at Liuhe to the north of Shanghai. The whole Shanghai area seems to be under the protection of four S-300 SAM positions.
The layout of the above missile positions reveals to some extent the tactical intentions of the PLA Air Force, that is, to give priority protection to Beijing and the coastal region with its S-300 SAMs. In particular, the air defense network along the coastal region including the Taiwan Strait and Shanghai has been greatly reinforced. A total of 18 S-300 SAM positions have been identified.
After receiving the new batch of four sets of S-300PMU2 missiles this year, and with the deployment of the HQ-9s, it deserves close observation whether China will continue to purchase new S-300 serial SAMs from Russia.
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(Andrei Chang is editor in chief of Kanwa Defense Review Monthly, registered in Toronto.)
This is recent news on Chinese Russian-made SAMs and their placements
Any comments or response?
Analysis: China to get SAMs from Russia
Published: May 2, 2008 at 6:04 PM
By ANDREI CHANG
HONG KONG, May 2 (UPI) -- Russia will deliver to China four battalions of 200-kilometer-range S-300PMU2 surface-to-air missiles this summer, the last batch in a series ordered by China. The first batch of four battalions of the same missiles was delivered in July 2007.
Starting in 1993, China received 12 battalions of S-300 SAMs, four of them S-300PMUs and eight S-300PMU1s. This means there are a total of 20 battalions of S-300 SAMs deployed in China. These missiles are expected to play a major role in China's core air defense system.
These missiles now cover the whole of the Chinese coast facing the Taiwan Strait. Positions previously covered by HQ-2 ground-to-air missiles have been upgraded to S-300 launch positions.
In the combat theater centered on the city of Fuzhou in Fujian province, Longtian Airport is armed with S-300s, which are intended to cover the whole northern section of the combat area. The S-300PMU1/2s deployed along the Taiwan Strait are right along the coastline, providing the first line of air defense for the operations of AWACS and bombers behind the front lines.
Since H-6H bombers are armed with long-range YJ-63 air-to-surface missiles, the KJ-200/2000 AWACS and H-6H/Ks outer-line protection is supported by the S-300 SAMs. These land-based SAM systems will provide effective protection against attacks from the air.
The objective of deploying S-300 SAMs at Longtian and Huian Airport is to protect the airports during a confrontation, and provide emergency landing sites for damaged combat aircraft. The mainstay third generation fighter aircraft including Su-27, J-11, Su-30 and J-10A fighters will not directly use these airport facilities due to their long flight ranges.
Originally, there was one S-300 position and one HQ-2 ground-to-air missile position at Longtian Airport. The S-300 position is composed of four launch vehicles and uses 64N6E search radar. This indicates that the ground-to-air missiles deployed at this airport are at least S-300PMU1s, because in the early phase the first batch of these missiles imported from Russia used ST-68UM (36D6) search radar produced by the Ukrainian Iskra Industrial Complex.
One battalion of the PLA Air Force's S-300PMU1 missiles normally uses four launch vehicles. The HQ-2 ground-to-air missile launch positions originally deployed at Longtian Airport are probably being rebuilt at the present time. A standard HQ-2 launch position usually has six launch sites, but currently the position has a layout of four launch sites and is equipped with a new warehouse. This is very likely prepared for the deployment of the S-300s. Nonetheless, the latest Google Earth satellite images show that S-300 missiles have not yet taken up this position.
Huian Airport is located in the north-central section of the Fujian coast directly facing the Taiwan Strait, and S-300s are also deployed at this airport. Besides, S-300 SAM positions have also been built in the Xindian area close to the city of Xiamen, where HQ-2 SAM positions have been upgraded to S-300 positions.
The HQ-2 positions in the Jiaomei area have also been rebuilt into S-300 positions. An analysis of images of the two positions released by Google Earth indicates that S-300 missiles have not yet been deployed here, however. HQ-2 SAMs were originally deployed at Zhengzhou Airport. The structure of the position currently being rebuilt is rather blurry. It is worth watching whether S-300 SAMs will be deployed here in the future.
In sum, there are five S-300 positions and two HQ-2 positions along the Taiwan Strait, the latter two located at Zhengzhou and Shantou Airports, with altogether 20 S-300 launchers. The No.2 Ground-to-Air Missile Brigade is stationed in this area.
S-300 positions are also found under construction in Beijing and Qingdao. The missiles have been sighted at the Zhonghuabu position near Qingdao, indicating this is the newest S-300 position, probably intended for the deployment of the latest S-300PMU2s. The importance of Qingdao lies in that the S-300s deployed here can be used to provide protection for the PLA Navy's No.1 Nuclear Submarine Base currently under expansion.
Almost all the S-300PMU1s are concentrated around Beijing. The No. 5 Ground-to-Air Missile Division was the first air defense unit to receive the S-300 missiles. It deserves close attention whether the No. 6 Ground-to-Air Division has been equipped with, or will receive, S-300 SAMs.
A new HQ-9 ground-to-air missile position has been observed at Fangezhuang, indicating that at least two battalions of HQ-9s are now under operational deployment. The first HQ-9 launch position was discovered at Jiuquan. Different from the S-300 position, the HQ-9 position is rectangular in shape, with eight launch sites. This means that one launch battalion is composed of eight launch vehicles, and the fire control radar is placed in the middle of the rectangular-shaped launch position.
At the outer rim of the launch position, circular roads connect the launch sites to enhance mobility and logistic efficiency. The deployment of HQ-9s in Beijing means that China's air defense capability has improved greatly, with a network that provides multiple-system, long-range and deep air defense. However, observers outside China have little knowledge of the technical parameters of the HQ-9. At least six S-300 SAM positions have been noticed around the Beijing region.
Other S-300 positions have been identified in Dalian and Lushun. This region is given special attention as it occupies a strategically important location; any aerial attacks upon Beijing launched by U.S. forces based on the Korean peninsula would have to go through this region.
Another major city currently protected by S-300 SAMs is of course Shanghai, where the No. 3 Ground-to-Air Missile Brigade is stationed. The Nichung and Minhang S-300 positions to the south of Shanghai are very close to the shore, and are obviously intended to deal with air attacks on Shanghai by Taiwan's tactical air force units in the event of a confrontation.
The 64N6E search radar used by S-300 SAM systems has also been sighted in the area close to Gongjialu, which very likely transmits aerial information data to other S-300 positions deployed in the neighboring area. One S-300 position is found at Liuhe to the north of Shanghai. The whole Shanghai area seems to be under the protection of four S-300 SAM positions.
The layout of the above missile positions reveals to some extent the tactical intentions of the PLA Air Force, that is, to give priority protection to Beijing and the coastal region with its S-300 SAMs. In particular, the air defense network along the coastal region including the Taiwan Strait and Shanghai has been greatly reinforced. A total of 18 S-300 SAM positions have been identified.
After receiving the new batch of four sets of S-300PMU2 missiles this year, and with the deployment of the HQ-9s, it deserves close observation whether China will continue to purchase new S-300 serial SAMs from Russia.
--
(Andrei Chang is editor in chief of Kanwa Defense Review Monthly, registered in Toronto.)
Here's a Chinese article on the subject:
2008年05月05日
东方网
据俄罗斯《纽带》网报道，俄将于今年夏天向中国提供最后一批S-300PMU2“宠儿”防空导弹系统。中方总共购买了可装备八个营的S-300PMU2系统，其中有一半已在2007年7月份装备中国的防空部队。
中国于1993年开始引进俄制S-300系统。到目前为止，中国军方装备的该系列导弹已包括四个营的S-300PMU、八个营的S-300PMU1和四个营的S-300PMU2。这些S-300现在已成为中国远程防空系统的基石。如果再考虑到将于今夏交付的S-300PMU2系统，中国军方获得的S- 300将足够装备20个营的防空部队。据悉，中国人民解放军的一个防空营将装备四套S-300发射系统。
目前，中国购买的S-300系统主要部署在各重点城市周围。其中，在北京地区的S-300不少于六个营。还有五个营被部署到了台湾海峡附近。另外，在大连和上海附近也部署有一定数量的S-300。
S-300PMU2“宠儿”防空导弹由“金刚石-安泰”防空系统康采恩研制和制造，主要用于守护大型工业企业、行政设施、军事基地和指挥中心等，可有效拦截包括短程和中程弹道导弹在内的多种目标。
S-300PMU2导弹系统由指挥中心、制导站、监控雷达、导弹及发射架组成。上述各部件均安装在通行能力很强的重型卡车底盘上，从而可以保证导弹系统的高度机动性。每套系统的战勤组为6人，即指挥员、发射操作员、搜索操作员、截获操作员及两名跟踪操作员。为保障S-300PMU2系统的作战，还配有导弹运输装载车、修理车等。有报道称，在事先没有准备的阵地上将S-300PMU2导弹系统部署完毕仅需5分钟，行进中准备发射时间为5分钟。
S-300PMU2系统能自动对指示目标实施攻击。该型导弹具备敌我识别能力，可同时制导12枚导弹攻击6个目标，每个目标既可用1枚导弹攻击，也可以2枚导弹齐射，发射间隔为3秒。
S-300PMU2具有全天候作战能力，能在任何复杂气象条件下执行防空任务。其还具有较强的抗干扰能力，能在敌方实施有源和无源干扰的条件下作战。为对付反雷达导弹的袭击，该系统装有34R6E雷达站防护装置，它可以发现反雷达导弹，并向其发出干扰信号，引诱它袭击虚假目标。
S- 300PMU2导弹系统采用垂直发射技术，具有全方位拦截目标的能力。其装备了新型导弹(48N6E)，弹长7.5米，直径0.5米，发射重量 1800千克，比S-300PMU1远50千米，由150千米增加到200千米，导弹通过燃气舵可迅速转向所需的方向，然后在12秒内使速度达到1900 米/秒，并沿最佳轨道追击目标，此时的横向过载可达20g。
新型48N6E地空导弹的弹片摧毁能力比S-300PMU1提高1倍，它主要摧毁的不是弹道导弹的弹体，而是它的弹头。该系统提高了对付远程巡航导弹的能力，1枚导弹拦截低空飞行的巡航导弹的成功率为80%～86%。对低空的目标，导弹会像鹰一样从上向下攻击。杀伤各种战术、战略航空兵飞机的命中率为 80%～93%，杀伤低空的巡航导弹的命中率为80%～98%。
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The article says that this is the last batch of S-300PMU2, the other half were delivered in July 2007. The PLA took delivery of S-300 from 1993, and to date (including the latest S-300PMU2 delivery) total deliveries of S-300PMU/PMU1/PMU2 systems is sufficient to equip 20 battalions. Each battalion is equipped with 4 x S-300 batteries.
In the last paragraph of the article, it specifies that the S-300PMU2 uses the 48N6E missile, which has +50km range over the S-300PMU1. I looked up our page on the S-300 and it appears that the S-300PMU1 uses 48N6E SAM with 150km range, and the S-300PMU2 uses 48N6E2 missile with 195km range:
Our S-300 page also specifies that the PLA would have enough S-300 units to form 10 SAM battalions (40 batteries), which is half of the article's estimate (20 battalions with 4 batteries each). Can anyone verify the numbers?
2008年05月05日
东方网
据俄罗斯《纽带》网报道，俄将于今年夏天向中国提供最后一批S-300PMU2“宠儿”防空导弹系统。中方总共购买了可装备八个营的S-300PMU2系统，其中有一半已在2007年7月份装备中国的防空部队。
中国于1993年开始引进俄制S-300系统。到目前为止，中国军方装备的该系列导弹已包括四个营的S-300PMU、八个营的S-300PMU1和四个营的S-300PMU2。这些S-300现在已成为中国远程防空系统的基石。如果再考虑到将于今夏交付的S-300PMU2系统，中国军方获得的S- 300将足够装备20个营的防空部队。据悉，中国人民解放军的一个防空营将装备四套S-300发射系统。
目前，中国购买的S-300系统主要部署在各重点城市周围。其中，在北京地区的S-300不少于六个营。还有五个营被部署到了台湾海峡附近。另外，在大连和上海附近也部署有一定数量的S-300。
S-300PMU2“宠儿”防空导弹由“金刚石-安泰”防空系统康采恩研制和制造，主要用于守护大型工业企业、行政设施、军事基地和指挥中心等，可有效拦截包括短程和中程弹道导弹在内的多种目标。
S-300PMU2导弹系统由指挥中心、制导站、监控雷达、导弹及发射架组成。上述各部件均安装在通行能力很强的重型卡车底盘上，从而可以保证导弹系统的高度机动性。每套系统的战勤组为6人，即指挥员、发射操作员、搜索操作员、截获操作员及两名跟踪操作员。为保障S-300PMU2系统的作战，还配有导弹运输装载车、修理车等。有报道称，在事先没有准备的阵地上将S-300PMU2导弹系统部署完毕仅需5分钟，行进中准备发射时间为5分钟。
S-300PMU2系统能自动对指示目标实施攻击。该型导弹具备敌我识别能力，可同时制导12枚导弹攻击6个目标，每个目标既可用1枚导弹攻击，也可以2枚导弹齐射，发射间隔为3秒。
S-300PMU2具有全天候作战能力，能在任何复杂气象条件下执行防空任务。其还具有较强的抗干扰能力，能在敌方实施有源和无源干扰的条件下作战。为对付反雷达导弹的袭击，该系统装有34R6E雷达站防护装置，它可以发现反雷达导弹，并向其发出干扰信号，引诱它袭击虚假目标。
S- 300PMU2导弹系统采用垂直发射技术，具有全方位拦截目标的能力。其装备了新型导弹(48N6E)，弹长7.5米，直径0.5米，发射重量 1800千克，比S-300PMU1远50千米，由150千米增加到200千米，导弹通过燃气舵可迅速转向所需的方向，然后在12秒内使速度达到1900 米/秒，并沿最佳轨道追击目标，此时的横向过载可达20g。
新型48N6E地空导弹的弹片摧毁能力比S-300PMU1提高1倍，它主要摧毁的不是弹道导弹的弹体，而是它的弹头。该系统提高了对付远程巡航导弹的能力，1枚导弹拦截低空飞行的巡航导弹的成功率为80%～86%。对低空的目标，导弹会像鹰一样从上向下攻击。杀伤各种战术、战略航空兵飞机的命中率为 80%～93%，杀伤低空的巡航导弹的命中率为80%～98%。
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The article says that this is the last batch of S-300PMU2, the other half were delivered in July 2007. The PLA took delivery of S-300 from 1993, and to date (including the latest S-300PMU2 delivery) total deliveries of S-300PMU/PMU1/PMU2 systems is sufficient to equip 20 battalions. Each battalion is equipped with 4 x S-300 batteries.
In the last paragraph of the article, it specifies that the S-300PMU2 uses the 48N6E missile, which has +50km range over the S-300PMU1. I looked up our page on the S-300 and it appears that the S-300PMU1 uses 48N6E SAM with 150km range, and the S-300PMU2 uses 48N6E2 missile with 195km range:
Our S-300 page also specifies that the PLA would have enough S-300 units to form 10 SAM battalions (40 batteries), which is half of the article's estimate (20 battalions with 4 batteries each). Can anyone verify the numbers?
Hi ... this is my first post here althrow I have being reading you for few years now because im interested in China arms development.
@adeptitus regarding your confusion.
Both articles are correct yours, the article from the post above and sindoefence database. Its just how you count the numbers. China count one engadgement radar and 4 TEL as one battery while Russians cound 3 engagement radars and 8 (min) to 12 TEL (max fufilment) as one battery. Three such batteries makes one regiment - well thats how Russians clasify things. So if you have 160 TEL you can make of them 40 batteries from China point of view or 20 from Russian point of view.
@adeptitus regarding your confusion.
Both articles are correct yours, the article from the post above and sindoefence database. Its just how you count the numbers. China count one engadgement radar and 4 TEL as one battery while Russians cound 3 engagement radars and 8 (min) to 12 TEL (max fufilment) as one battery. Three such batteries makes one regiment - well thats how Russians clasify things. So if you have 160 TEL you can make of them 40 batteries from China point of view or 20 from Russian point of view.
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How good are the S-400 defense system that goes against stealth planes like F-22 of B-2??
