Chinese purchase of Su-35

vesicles

vesicles

Colonel
b787 said:
China Declines to Comment Information on Russian Su-35 Fighter Jet Delivery
(Source: TASS-Defense; published Oct 06, 2016)
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So why did the Chinese deny Su-35 delivery?

Do the Chinese usually deny their weapons purchases and imports?

This is not meant to be rhetorical but an actual question. I would like to know how the Chinese DoD typically deals with news on their weapons imports. I wonder if we could extract something out of this...
 
b787

b787

Captain
vesicles said:
So why did the Chinese deny Su-35 delivery?

Do the Chinese usually deny their weapons purchases and imports?

This is not meant to be rhetorical but an actual question. I would like to know how the Chinese DoD typically deals with news on their weapons imports. I wonder if we could extract something out of this...
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they did not deny or admit anything, you are denying it, they simply did not admit or deny anything, but let us wait let us see who has the last laugh
 
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kroko

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Hyperwarp said:
Only? That is a ridiculously expensive choice. Why would they want to spend so much to acquire a 142kN Saturn 117S engines when CAC has been dealing Salut for such a long time. They already use 134kN - 138kN class Salut engines. Salut has also offered all-aspect 3D TVC.

Maybe the Su-35 is needed to fill the vacancies left by the early Su-27SK. The Su-27SK have not been upgraded, and they are not R-77 compatible unlike Su-27UBK, J-11/11A. Some (all?) Su-27SK were scrapped and engines cannibalized. J-11B is a major step-up but it is well behind the Su-35. The only thing that is comparable on paper is the J-11D. But that is still in testing and we have only seen 2x planes. Su-35 is available right now for export. If the PLAAF is in a hurry, then the best in the export market is the Su-35.

Buying the Su-35 give the PLAAF its 1st TVC integrated plane. So there maybe lessons learnt in TVC FBW integration.
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China is behind russia on aircraft jet engine tech. It makes sense for china to get as much tech as possible from russia, even at the expense of buying 24 planes and thats because russia demanded so. AFAIK, russia wouldnt agree to sell less than 24 planes and initiallly it only acepted 48 planes minimum.

b787 said:
they did not deny or admit anything, you are denying it, they simply did not admit or deny anything, but let us wait let us see who has the last laugh
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I dont think anyone is laughing at it. There is no need to be defensive about this. This sale will ocurr, sooner or later.
 
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vesicles

Colonel
b787 said:
they did not deny or admit anything, you are denying it, they simply did not admit or deny anything, but let us wait let us see who has the last laugh
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I apologize. I misspoke. I should have said the Chinese didn't confirm it.

But my question still stands. Why did the Chinese not confirm it? Do the Chinese usually hold on to confirmation of weapons purchase until the delivery is made? I'm simply trying to find a pattern if there is one.

There is no need to get defensive. I'm skeptical of the Su-35 deal, to be honest. Since you don't own the Su-35 and most likely you didn't design the Su-35, I have nothing against you. Even if you are one of the designers of the plane, I still have nothing against you. The Su-35 is an amazing fighter plane. Every engineer involved in designing it should be absolutely proud of it. It's just that I don't think it suits China at this point. So I have nothing against you.

And when we laugh at the officials for their crying wolf, we are laughing at the officials who made the comments. Since you are not one of those officials and you don't own the company, there is no need for you to feel offended.
 
b787

b787

Captain
vesicles said:
I apologize. I misspoke. I should have said the Chinese didn't confirm it.

But my question still stands. Why did the Chinese not confirm it? Do the Chinese usually hold on to confirmation of weapons purchase until the delivery is made? I'm simply trying to find a pattern if there is one.

There is no need to get defensive. I'm skeptical of the Su-35 deal, to be honest. Since you don't own the Su-35 and most likely you didn't design the Su-35, I have nothing against you. Even if you are one of the designers of the plane, I still have nothing against you. The Su-35 is an amazing fighter plane. Every engineer involved in designing it should be absolutely proud of it. It's just that I don't think it suits China at this point. So I have nothing against you.

And when we laugh at the officials for their crying wolf, we are laughing at the officials who made the comments. Since you are not one of those officials and you don't own the company, there is no need for you to feel offended.
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I agree, no problem let me add, this, i am like you just a fanboy, nothing else, not a pilot, not a designer, just a fan boy, i only make models. mostly 1/144.

The news are simply like this, the Khabarovsk governor at the inauguration of a Sukhoi aluminium plant said according to some reports the Su-35s were going to start deliveries before 2017.

So the Russian side are quoting officials link to Sukhoi, Kret and Rostec, it is very hard it is a lie at this moment.

China did not confirm or deny it, so there is some ambiguity, yes, i admit, could i be wrong about? yes i could because i am a fan, but I think it is very likely true 4 Su-35s are going to be delivered soon.
 
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longmarch

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I think it's just a matter of time before we see some delivered, may not be this year but certainly in 2017.
 
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taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
KIENCHIN said:
Not much longer now, zuhai 2017 is just around the corner, if nothing official is announce it is dead and buried. End of debate
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hehe, I am afraid I have to disagree. This sale is a never dying deal. People will prop it up until it become real even it means infinite time in the future. So I'd say, do not respond to such rumors, when there is Su-35 in PLAF color just say "ok there is something new". The whole long lasting "process" has made the deal less important to deserve attention.
 
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mr.bean

Junior Member
there is two dead fish out there. they are so dead but will continue to be put into the limelight like a ghost that refuse to go away. these 2 dead fish is Su-35 sale to China and the J-31 fighter.
 
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