Chinese military exports to other countries


siegecrossbow

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China’s long running effort to export a single submarine to Thailand seems to have run aground again with a key German supplier refusing to sell their MTU engine, citing the western arms embargo to China arising from the Tian An Men incident. One wonders how did this happened, given that the deal was signed in 2017 and presumably, the Germans had initially agreed to the supply.

Definitely a dent to Sino Thai defence relations.

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I read that the problem isn’t that China couldn’t manufacture domestic submarine engine than that the “domestic” engines are based on German IP. Germany allows China to use them domestically but refuses to allow export of said engines. The alternative suggested by China is based on a domestic design, but is not as good as the German engine design, hence the Thai reluctance to accept the alternative.
 

ansy1968

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I read that the problem isn’t that China couldn’t manufacture domestic submarine engine than that the “domestic” engines are based on German IP. Germany allows China to use them domestically but refuses to allow export of said engines. The alternative suggested by China is based on a domestic design, but is not as good as the German engine design, hence the Thai reluctance to accept the alternative.
Sir then what about Pakistan Navy? they don't have any issue? Maybe it's more about financial issue ( budgetary) than technical?
 

siegecrossbow

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Sir then what about Pakistan Navy? they don't have any issue? Maybe it's more about financial issue ( budgetary) than technical?

Export ban is blanket, but I think they are more liable to compromise than the Thai since they actually need the subs whereas it is more of a prestige project for the Thai. I sometimes wonder if the Thai are using this as an excuse due to a lack of funding.
 

lcloo

Senior Member
Export ban is blanket, but I think they are more liable to compromise than the Thai since they actually need the subs whereas it is more of a prestige project for the Thai. I sometimes wonder if the Thai are using this as an excuse due to a lack of funding.
Agreed. Thailand has no enemy, it is surrounded by ASEAN countries in which Thailand is a member. There are no threat from the sea ward side. The pandemic of last 2 year has great adverse effect on economy, especially tourism. Funding for the submarine purchase would be better used for revitalizing the economy.

Gulf of Thailand is a non-contested sea, there are no foreseeable conflict in this area.
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