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triple duct VCE demonstrator developed by the Institute of Engineering Thermophysics, Chinese Academy of Sciences, has completed high-altitude test bench trials. Compared to the baseline engine with afterburner, fuel consumption is reduced by 37.5%, and specific thrust is increased by 47%.

This is just the institute's own test project, not the highly classified project for the sixth-gen fighter.
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triple duct VCE demonstrator developed by the Institute of Engineering Thermophysics, Chinese Academy of Sciences, has completed high-altitude test bench trials. Compared to the baseline engine with afterburner, fuel consumption is reduced by 37.5%, and specific thrust is increased by 47%.

This is just the institute's own test project, not the highly classified project for the sixth-gen fighter.
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Is that a 2-1-4-1-1-1 configuration I see??
 

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triple duct VCE demonstrator developed by the Institute of Engineering Thermophysics, Chinese Academy of Sciences, has completed high-altitude test bench trials. Compared to the baseline engine with afterburner, fuel consumption is reduced by 37.5%, and specific thrust is increased by 47%.

This is just the institute's own test project, not the highly classified project for the sixth-gen fighter.
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The improved thrust and fuel consumption figures on that slide are noteworthy (and consistent with what you'd expect for a VCE/ACE).
This more or less tracks with some of the papers we've had over recent years indicating they were doing this kind of testing.

I suppose the real question is whether this specific testbed will be the basis of the powerplant for J-36/J-XDS or if a bespoke design will be developed with experience from these testbeds for those new aircraft.

Edit: saw the edits made in the post, which I agree with. Tbf the fact they're showing this testbed itself would be indicative that it's more of a "technology/industry progress" showcase rather than revealing development of a direct subsystem of an important and sensitive project

Oh, and assuming these tests occurred within the last two years at least (I assume they wouldn't reveal relatively fresh off the press development info within the last 12 months), then they aren't too far behind the ground and high altitude testing of XA100/101 (note, the XA102/103 are the subsequent engines under development intended for F-47, while XA100/101 were intended for F-35 but not adopted)
 
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Alfa_Particle

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triple duct VCE demonstrator developed by the Institute of Engineering Thermophysics, Chinese Academy of Sciences, has completed high-altitude test bench trials. Compared to the baseline engine with afterburner, fuel consumption is reduced by 37.5%, and specific thrust is increased by 47%.

This is just the institute's own test project, not the highly classified project for the sixth-gen fighter.
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Quite a design. Seems to be a tri-spool with a 2-1-4-1-1-1 configuration, VIGV-less, and if I'm not mistaken, with at least the entire intermediate spool consisting of blings instead of blisks.

(I've also heard that active magnetic bearings might be in this too...)

Edit: If I'm not mistaken, instead of changing BPR by switching between being a turbofan-turbojet like the YF120/XA100/101/etc., this design aims to adjust the combustor size, altering the flow rate of air entering the combustion chambe, thus achieving variable cycle.
 
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triple duct VCE demonstrator developed by the Institute of Engineering Thermophysics, Chinese Academy of Sciences, has completed high-altitude test bench trials. Compared to the baseline engine with afterburner, fuel consumption is reduced by 37.5%, and specific thrust is increased by 47%.

This is just the institute's own test project, not the highly classified project for the sixth-gen fighter.
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Not sure that it is wise to release info about the design philosophy so early in the game.
 

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Using bypass burners seems to match high-speed requirements better. The traditional method of changing the bypass air amount means that the compression ratio does not change by much and will be way too high for high-speed performance beyond Mach 2.2. A burner that bypasses the HP fans seems to solve this by allowing pressure ratios in the single digits similar to the Mig25 and Mig31 engine designs.
 

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Using bypass burners seems to match high-speed requirements better. The traditional method of changing the bypass air amount means that the compression ratio does not change by much and will be way too high for high-speed performance beyond Mach 2.2. A burner that bypasses the HP fans seems to solve this by allowing pressure ratios in the single digits similar to the Mig25 and Mig31 engine designs.
I wonder how they'll incorporate contra-rotating spools here. LP-HP one way and IP the other? That seems more "conventional" but the gyroscopic forces might be worse than, say LP-IP one way and HP the other if that's possible.
 

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And to think that this isn't even the big ACE/VCE project that's being developed. Insanity. Utter insanity. That's the only way I can describe the direction of the Chinese aero engine industry.
They compared it to the J-58, and at the very bottom of the last slide, it stated that the TBCC was considered the most suitable powertrain for Mach 4 flight so far

They weren't just developing VCE for sixth-generation fighters, but also preparing for combined propulsion systems for spaceplanes.
 
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