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Chinese Engine Development
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（Yes I shamefully left out the rest of the references to save space)
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- There should be a distinction made between WS-10B and WS-10D/B-3 (144 kN). After the core refresh in 2022 they're very different animals.
- WS-10C also went through a core refresh around the same time and I think WS-10C (late) is in the 150-155 kN range (if you're dead set on one number I'd say 150 kN, corresponding to the F110-GE-134 and "scratching the levels of old WS-15 rumour")
- WS-10C2 should be around the levels of the "fully realised WS-15 pre-revamp" at 160 kN ish? I doubt at the original YWH-30-27 core though at 175 kN (GE did propose a 178 kN F110 VCE variant but I doubt the C2 is one).
- Allegedly there's WS-15, WS-15A, and WS-15B too. But nothing much other than "they exist." And I think the current WS-15 (whatever the suffix is, A/B/X) should be 175+ kN based on the old goal from the YWH-30-27.
- The production WS-19 should be around 118-127 kN, leaning towards 127 kN.
A few comments if you don't mind (which, of course, due to their nature as info regarding Chinese engines, are speculation but I rate their sources pretty credible):
- There should be a distinction made between WS-10B and WS-10D/B-3 (144 kN). After the core refresh in 2022 they're very different animals.
- WS-10C also went through a core refresh around the same time and I think WS-10C (late) is in the 150-155 kN range (if you're dead set on one number I'd say 150 kN, corresponding to the F110-GE-134 and "scratching the levels of old WS-15 rumour")
- WS-10C2 should be around the levels of the "fully realised WS-15 pre-revamp" at 160 kN ish? I doubt at the original YWH-30-27 core though at 175 kN (GE did propose a 178 kN F110 VCE variant but I doubt the C2 is one).
- Allegedly there's WS-15, WS-15A, and WS-15B too. But nothing much other than "they exist." And I think the current WS-15 (whatever the suffix is, A/B/X) should be 175+ kN based on the old goal from the YWH-30-27.
- The production WS-19 should be around 118-127 kN, leaning towards 127 kN.
Nah, I agree with the WS-15 part but the WS-19 part is definitely fine. The thrust range I was given was 12,000-13,000 kgf. And Eurojet also thought a 120 kN EJ200 was possible with technology 2+ decades ago.
A ceramics upgrade, but I thought it was only planned and never materialised?
Would you mind sharing the source of your information on these numbers and anything on the core and core upgrades.
Most of these are unfortunately from private sources (think of it as guesswork, really).
Crossposting from the STOVL thread:
This stovl type engine specs look extremely similar to F-135 it seems. If 2200K turbine inlet temperature can be achieved on WS15 then I believe it possible for it to become the best fighter engine for quite a few years before XA102 materializes.
not exactly similar to F-135 but close to F-135 specifications.
F-135 TIT is 2260°K
this Engine TIT is 2200°K
also length and other parameters is different too..
this is not shocking if we follow the recent development of China's material industry. i have been telling the people on this forum. WS-15 TIT is way higher than what actually written on Wikipedia.
I'll just post it here as well, given that this could well be a brand new engine.
With the listed bypass ratio, I certainly don't think this engine is the WS-15 itself, especially considering what the WS-15 engine is intended for.
This engine (if the data is fully accurate) is very well to be a yet-to-be-known, brand-new model of low-bypass engine.
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The production WS-15 might go even higher than 2200.
And it's not like it's the XA102/103 that's the engine that'll be on the production F-47 birds. It's the A102/103. Right now not even the XA102/103 is in flight testing I believe, nevermind the YA102/103.
Probably a modified WS-15 like the F135 to the F119. Or WS-10. That thing never goes away anyway, the CFM56 lives on, just in different hosts. It's an immortal concept.