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taxiya

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turbine physics tells us the larger the bypass ratio the higher the subsonic efficiency. However, when bypass ratio goes too high the engine shroud simply becomes ridiculous and cumbersome dragging the feet on efficiency. So getting rid of the shroud is one possible way to go.
essentially it is a turboprop of more blades and higher RPM.
 
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taxiya

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And directly connected to the main turbine shaft rather than a separate shaft.
Some if not all designs have gear reductions meaning separate shafts, I think. With increased diameter and number of blades, I can't imagine it rotate at the same speed of the turbine shaft. The tip will certainly go supersonic. Without gearbox the diameter has to reduce which cancels out the purpose of open roter making it a high bypass turbofan but noisier.
 
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essentially it is a turboprop of more blades and higher RPM.
And directly connected to the main turbine shaft rather than a separate shaft.
Except for GE36 most other "true" propfans like D-27, NK-93 and Allison 578 had a reduction gearbox.

This brings back memories of me a few years ago trying to pin down exactly what defines a propfan, and then just giving up. One can't say even that all propfans are unducted, because the NK-93 *does* have a duct. Perhaps one definite statement one can make about the distinction between turboprops and propfans is this: So far, for all engines called "turboprops," the axis of rotation of the propeller is offset from the axis of rotation of the compressors/turbines of the gas generator, while for all engines called "propfans," the axis of rotation of the propeller/fan is the same as the axis of rotation of the compressors/turbines.

As for any clear distinction between propfans and turbofans, well.... For example, I've seen online statements that the NK-93 geared "propfan" has a bypass ratio in the range of 16-17, while the under-development Rolls-Royce UltraFan geared "turbofan" has a bypass ratio of 14-15, which to me isn't that far off. Plus, the UltraFan apparently has variable-pitch fan blades! So it seems to me there's a plausible case that the UltraFan is crossing over into "ducted propfan" territory.
 
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Tomboy

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So far, for all engines called "turboprops," the axis of rotation of the propeller is offset from the axis of rotation of the compressors/turbines of the gas generator, while for all engines called "propfans," the axis of rotation of the propeller/fan is the same as the axis of rotation of the compressors/turbines.
Not really true as from the top of my head, NK-12 and AI-20/WJ-6 has a coaxial propellerDSC06051.jpg14931660524_f9ae8cc436_b.jpg
 

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This brings back memories of me a few years ago trying to pin down exactly what defines a propfan, and then just giving up. One can't say even that all propfans are unducted, because the NK-93 *does* have a duct. Perhaps one definite statement one can make about the distinction between turboprops and propfans is this: So far, for all engines called "turboprops," the axis of rotation of the propeller is offset from the axis of rotation of the compressors/turbines of the gas generator, while for all engines called "propfans," the axis of rotation of the propeller/fan is the same as the axis of rotation of the compressors/turbines.

As for any clear distinction between propfans and turbofans, well.... For example, I've seen online statements that the NK-93 geared "propfan" has a bypass ratio in the range of 16-17, while the under-development Rolls-Royce UltraFan geared "turbofan" has a bypass ratio of 14-15, which to me isn't that far off. Plus, the UltraFan apparently has variable-pitch fan blades! So it seems to me there's a plausible case that the UltraFan is crossing over into "ducted propfan" territory.

Not really true as from the top of my head, NK-12 and AI-20/WJ-6 has a coaxial propellerView attachment 167832View attachment 167834

Me: "This brings back memories of me a few years ago trying to pin down exactly what defines a propfan, and then just giving up. .... Perhaps one definite statement one can make about the distinction between turboprops and propfans is this: So far, for all engines called 'turboprops,' the axis of rotation of the propeller is offset from the axis of rotation of the compressors/turbines of the gas generator, while for all engines called 'propfans,' the axis of rotation of the propeller/fan is the same as the axis of rotation of the compressors/turbines."

Tomboy: "Not really true as from the top of my head, NK-12 and AI-20/WJ-6 has a coaxial propeller"

Now you can see why I previously gave up!
 
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