Chinese Engine Development

kroko

Senior Member
What is really curious is the status of the high-bypass engine. This is critical bottleneck for strategic reasons. The West could make high-bypass turbofans by the time they had fighter engines comparable to FWS10. But there is very little news about the high-bypass turbofan even now. Is China experiencing extraordinary difficulty? Is China simply not focusing its resources on them?

Its natural that china´s high-bypass engines tech is lagging behind. They were never a priority. In fact, barring the h-6 bomber, they had no need for it. They only became a necessity recently, with the development of the h-6k, y-20 and civilian transport projects.
 

ReneDad

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But there is very little news about the high-bypass turbofan even now.

Zhang told the reporter that they were developing a series of variants from WS-10.

Considering of the take-off weight of the large transport aircraft and its R&D schedule, the only way that China would built an engine for it in time is to develope a variant from Taihang.

Developing an engine needs 10-20 years and developing a variant also needs many years depending on how much changes are planned to be made. For example, if Obama decided to stop producing F-22 and restart deveoping YF-23 instead, American would also need 10 years to get F-23 in service, though technically F-23 is also a fourth generation fighter.

Anyway, it is ture that there is very little news from official media on this matter. I suppose it is because Chinese leaders, not like their western counterparts, don't need Chinese fan boys to vote them.

张恩和告诉科技日报记者,近几年,基于国家科研实力及工业基础的提升,太行发动机的技术也日臻完美,目前正向系列化发展。
 
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montyp165

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At the Zhuhai Air Show, the lead designer of Taihang said, "The gap between us and the West is growing smaller and smaller. In perhaps 10 years, China will become an superpower in engines."

“我们现在与欧美发达国家差距越来越小,也许只需十年,中国就能成为发动机强国。”

It does look like past investments are coming to fruition. We see the J-11B and J-11BS being mass produced with FWS10 (future J-11BH too). As indicated in this thread, a breakthrough has been achieved for mass producing mono-crystalline blades for the FWS10A. So, we should expect to see J-10 with FWS10A very soon.

The FWS10 is comparable to early model 4th generation fighter engines and FWS10A is comparable to late model 4th generation fighter engines. In fact, FWS10A has even higher thrust than the F100's in late model F-15 and F-16. It seems China will jump a half-generation of turbofan technology in 5 years.

The designer's statement shows that China expects to achieve parity with the West by 2020. This indicates that the J-20's engine, in the same class as PW F119, should be manufactured by 2020. Maya stated earlier that FWS10A will an interim engine for the J-20. So, should the J-20 enter service before 2020, it will be using the FWS10A at first. Then it might not be able to supercruise.

What is really curious is the status of the high-bypass engine. This is critical bottleneck for strategic reasons. The West could make high-bypass turbofans by the time they had fighter engines comparable to FWS10. But there is very little news about the high-bypass turbofan even now. Is China experiencing extraordinary difficulty? Is China simply not focusing its resources on them? Or will high-bypass turbofans, just like FWS10A, be ready very soon?

If so, the heavy and medium transports and H-6K will be ready very soon.

The Leap-X uses the same CFM-56 core that the WS-10 uses (albeit much improved), so that should help speed up development.
 

Skywatcher

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Maybe it's design problems for the next WS-10 model (like the WS-10B or a modified version for the Y-20), since there are J-11BS up the wazoo now?
 

tphuang

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some source said that WS-10 will be fix the design problem:

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They claim the problems are fixed every few months. At least this time around, the WS-10As appear to be flying with J-11Bs now. However, there are some serious production issues at Shenyang Liming and design issues like not conducting enough design testing that will continue to plague taihang project.
 

montyp165

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They claim the problems are fixed every few months. At least this time around, the WS-10As appear to be flying with J-11Bs now. However, there are some serious production issues at Shenyang Liming and design issues like not conducting enough design testing that will continue to plague taihang project.

If Guizhou can get the WS-13 up and running in a short time, then letting them have a crack at setting up a WS-10 production line may be helpful in vetting out the remaining production issues.
 

Lion

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Is WS-10A uses in J-20?? Anybody can do photo comparison of the nozzle of J-20 between FWS-10 and AL-31 on the J-20 one??
 
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