Chinese Engine Development

SamuraiBlue

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If the US and British stopped providing commercial jet engines to PRC, PRC's commercial aviation industry would probably come to a grinding stop.
As for the French they don't build commercial nacelle jet engines.
 

tphuang

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I doubt there would be much legal and economic hassle. Is there even a law that prohibits China from doing whatever they like with their engines? The engines are already in China, so the US doesn't necessarily need to find out. And even then what could the US do, order GE to stop selling engines to the fastest growing market? China could buy French and British engines if the US threatened such sanctions.
What you are proposing is a huge violation of the terms of the contract. If you want China to get kicked out of WTO, then this would be a good place to start.
 

dvan0

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Isn't haking into US companies and stealing trade secrets already grounds for expulsion from WTO?
 

manqiangrexue

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Plus didn't US actually sell China military engines in the 80s?
D-30 engines are the stop-gap for Y-20 until WS-20 comes online. There's no point in upgrading a stop-gap that just needs to be upgraded again anyway unless you're in a dire situation.

No, selling those engines to China doesn't mean China can do whatever it wants with them. The US has sold hundreds, maybe thousands of aircraft and engines to China but every sale came with a clause that restricts it from military use, just like the old engines. Stealing trade secrets and hacking computers is something that everyone does and is almost impossible to definitively pin to an entity. Saying a hack came somewhere from China just isn't good enough; you have to prove who did it, from where and prove that they did it under government orders as opposed to acting as a paid hacker for a company. Even if you prove that, in this day and age, cyber crime is just not viewed as seriously as a physical infringement like if you militarized the 737s sold to you under a civilian only clause to use as say AWACs. Basically, people view cyber attacks as simply naughty behavior, not a hard crime. Otherwise, Snowden's leaks would have the US kicked out of every international organization/ cooperation.
 

dvan0

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China has done it before. Remember when Pratt and Whitney sold software to China so they could use their civilians engines on military helicopters? P and w got fined a couple million but nothing happened to China,
 

manqiangrexue

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China has done it before. Remember when Pratt and Whitney sold software to China so they could use their civilians engines on military helicopters? P and w got fined a couple million but nothing happened to China,
That's because it was declared as P&W's negligence; if China tricked GE into selling it 737 engines under a civilian clause and those physical engines were seen on Y-20, there would be a bigger problem. Would China get kicked out of the WTO? I don't think so but it would get ugly. Could the US order GE to stop doing business with China? It absolutely can. Could China try to buy European? It absolutely can. Could their governments also order them to refuse to sell engines to China citing the Y-20? Yes to that as well. Will it all happen? I don't know, but the question is why would you do something so blatantly illegal just to upgrade a stopgap engine? How many years before WS-20 is ready? How many years benefit can you get? In those years, will it make a difference to China whether it was using CFM-56 or D-30? I doubt it unless some sudden conflict occurs, and it required the Y-20 to lift something that it could not with D-30, but could with CFM-56. If that happens, everything goes.
 

dvan0

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China could always get around the Americans by going to Snecma instead. But moving on, is anyone surprised that its taking China so long to come up with a decent civilian engine? I mean couldn't they have recruited the ex-Soviet engineers that left when the USSR collapsed?
 

SamuraiBlue

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China could always get around the Americans by going to Snecma instead. But moving on, is anyone surprised that its taking China so long to come up with a decent civilian engine? I mean couldn't they have recruited the ex-Soviet engineers that left when the USSR collapsed?

I doubt it since SNECMA's
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As for Russian engineers PRC already recruited many of them to develop engines according to some articles I had read in the past.
 
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