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voyager1

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I think by 2030, China's GDP per capita (in 2019 dollars) could be as high as $30k USD, and as high as $40k by 2035.

This project assume continuation of current trends.

As we converge on the inflection point, a lot of thing could move rapidly. For one thing, once US loses the top spot, the dollar could devalue precipitously. Since the US economy is build primarily on the primacy of the dollar and domestic consumption, devaluation could tank EVERYTHING!

Look around, do you seriously believe everyone's going to make $90k (or a new MB S-Class, since purchasing power is shifting) a year?

There should be far more panic than the graph would suggest.........
Oh yes. Ofc this short video doesn't explain all the intricacies behind the US and EU economies.

US economy depends on having the dollar as the reserve currency of the world and on unlimited printing. When China starts closing the distance with the US and starts promoting Digitan Yuan (this is the killer weapon..) internationally thats the game over for the US.

Also lets not forget that with the dual circulation policy, China is gearing up for QUALITY gdp growth.
 

weig2000

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I think by 2030, China's GDP per capita (in 2019 dollars) could be as high as $30k USD, and as high as $40k by 2035.

This project assume continuation of current trends.

As we converge on the inflection point, a lot of thing could move rapidly. For one thing, once US loses the top spot, the dollar could devalue precipitously. Since the US economy is build primarily on the primacy of the dollar and domestic consumption, devaluation could tank EVERYTHING!

Look around, do you seriously believe everyone's going to make $90k (or a new MB S-Class, since purchasing power is shifting) a year?

There should be far more panic than the graph would suggest.........

Precisely, dollar value or yuan/dollar exchange rate is the wild card. The foundation of the US empire now heavily depends on it, particularly after the pandemic when the US debts have gone up so much and so rapidly.

That projection is a more optimistic one for the US and a somewhat more pessimistic one for China (as usual). If the Chinese yuan holds its own and appreciates moderately but steady (say 3-5% a year), China can overtake the US in nominal GDP as early as 2025 or 2026. In any case, it's a high probability event between 2025 - 2030 depending on exchange rate of yuan/dollar and relative economic growth performance.

Dollar is definitely overvalued relative to US real economic performance, and is getting the hegemony premium. But it has started to show cracks due to severe structural problems in the US economic, political and social systems demonstrated vividly to the world over the last few years. What are still holding its value are the lack of alternative currently and some remaining confidence that the US can still bounce back given its past track records. But China is closing in. If in the next 5-10 years, China successfully surpasses the US in nominal GDP, becomes self-sufficient in key technology industries (semiconductor being the foremost), and makes significant inroads in the internationalization of yuan (in which the rmb digital currency will play important role), then the US dollar will be in serious trouble. The Chinese military will almost certainly gain ground over the US, based on our current knowledge of PLA's development plan and pipeline, particularly in key strategic platforms.

In that scenario, it's not difficult to see dollar will lose 20% or more of its value overall by the end of the decade. It's a decade of make-or-break for the empire.
 

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China's FDI set to expand at strong pace​

Their remarks came after the Ministry of Commerce said on Thursday that China's actual use of foreign direct investment surged by 38.6 percent on a yearly basis to 397.07 billion yuan (US$61.55 billion) in the first four months of this year.

The FDI value also represents a 30.1 percent increase over the same period in 2019, said Gao Feng, a spokesman for the ministry.

In the meantime, FDI in China from other economies related to the Belt and Road Initiative, the Association of Southeast Asian Nations and the European Union grew by 62.8 per cent, 65.2 per cent and 9.2 per cent, respectively, on a yearly basis.

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ansy1968

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Wow this is big!

China wont follow US and EU playbook for growing the economy

Would be interesting to see what they will do though

The PBoC also recognises the issue of caring for the elderly (big issue here, at least they recognised it)
@voyager1 bro like investment in the 4th industrial revolution, like AI, robotics and IOT? with benefit deriving from this new tech in the medical field for example policy makers can increase the retirement age to 70 for men and 65 for women? solving China aging problem with a productive work forces?
 
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Tyler

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Wow this is big!

China wont follow US and EU playbook for growing the economy

Would be interesting to see what they will do though

The PBoC also recognises the issue of caring for the elderly (big issue here, at least they recognised it)
Now they are saying they are not relying on consumption. How do they implement internal circulation, if they are discouraging too much consumption?
 
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