Chinese Economics Thread

horse

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Perhaps the Europeans, being that the bureaucrats are in charge, procrastinate endlessly about the EU policy towards China, which leaves them without a China policy, empty but for the usual empty platitudes.

The Americans seem to be suffering an immense case of butt hurt and sour grapes with their China policy.
 

AndrewS

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No, it's because you always respond to my posts with utter nonsense and not a single original thought. As for me, I ask not for much. If I can even bring about a single particle of doubt to a single person that this suicidal war that the two countries are going into is a dumb and crazy idea-- I can go to my grave happily. I serve only the people of these two nations-- the US and China.

Then shouldn't you be focusing your efforts on changing the US?

At the end of the day, the USA needs to accept that China will become a lot bigger than them, and that the US is expected to give up global influence.
 

AssassinsMace

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The anti-China faction always think they're neutral. When they charge that China refuses to negotiate, it actually mean China refuses to surrender to them. When they say the two sides are so "far apart" and the two sides should come together, it really means one side doesn't have to move while the other side has to bother going to them.
 

manqiangrexue

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Then shouldn't you be focusing your efforts on changing the US?

At the end of the day, the USA needs to accept that China will become a lot bigger than them, and that the US is expected to give up global influence.
Apparently, he does that as well. He has no true opinion other than that everyone should be friends and claims that he trolls multiple forums to argue against whatever the prevailing current is. In his mind, by disgusting both sides with his own spineless defeatism, that somehow pulls everyone closer to cooperation... in their efforts vying for the number one position in the world over the other. Yes, it is exactly as stupid as it sounds. And yes, that means if you got all his accounts together, and copy/pasted them into one discussion, he would have a vicious debate against himself.
 

horse

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Apparently, he does that as well. He has no true opinion other than that everyone should be friends and claims that he trolls multiple forums to argue against whatever the prevailing current is. In his mind, by disgusting both sides with his own spineless defeatism, that somehow makes both sides want to cooperate... in their efforts vying for the number one position in the world. Yes, it is exactly as stupid as it sounds.
Yeah, I noticed the exact same thing too, about the allegedly same individual, some same country we know about, posting the same stuff, to provoke with grandstanding high minded sounding statements backed by nothing, but to avoid banishment we don't say much.

Keeps the peace at least, heh.

:p
 

j17wang

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China Bans Australian Coal Imports as Political Relations Sour
Bloomberg News
October 12, 2020, 5:38 PM GMT+8

China has suspended purchases of Australian coal, according to people familiar with the order, as Beijing continues to tightly control imports of the fuel amid soured political relations with Canberra.

Chinese power stations and steel mills have been verbally told to immediately stop using Australian coal, the people said, asking not to be identified as the matter is private. Ports have also been told not to offload Australian coal, one of the people said. China’s customs administration wasn’t immediately available to comment.

The ban marks an escalation in tensions that have already jolted agricultural exports from China’s biggest supplier of commodities. It isn’t clear when the halt might end or how it might affect long-term contracts that are already in place.

The fossil fuel has been a previous target for China’s ire with what it regards as an increasingly hostile government in Canberra, most recently in 2019 when shipments became subject to port delays. It’s one of the few resources in which China is largely self-sufficient, as it mines and burns about half the world’s supply, and its utilities use lower-quality thermal coal for just a small fraction of their needs.

Higher-quality coking coal is a different story. China produces less of it and the country’s steel-making giants are still reliant on overseas suppliers, where Australia is dominant, typically accounting for over half of imports.

Coking Coal
Australia has been the main coking coal supplier to China's steel giants


Source: General Administration of Customs

China is, overwhelmingly, the key buyer of Australia’s most lucrative export, iron ore, although curbs on that product would be a heavy blow to a steel industry that relies on vast -- and cheap -- supplies from mining heavyweights like Rio Tinto Group and BHP Group.

More broadly, China keeps a tight grip on coal imports as it seeks to balance the needs of its miners and industrial users. The fuel still accounts for over half of its energy needs, but is falling out of favor, albeit gradually, as China shifts to cleaner burning energy to cut pollution and meet increasingly ambitious climate goals.

“We are aware of these reports and have had discussions with Australia’s resources industry, who have previously faced occasional disruptions to trade flows with China,” Trade Minister Simon Birmingham said in a statement. “Australia will continue to highlight our standing as a reliable supplier of high grade resources that provide mutual benefits.”

BHP Group, Australia’s biggest exporter of coking coal, didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment. China Baowu Steel Group, the nation’s biggest mill, declined to comment. The news of the coal ban was first reported by outlets including S&P Global Platts and Argus Media.

— With assistance by Jason Rogers, Steven Yang, Qian Chen, Matthew Burgess, Alfred Cang, David Stringer, and Winnie Zhu

I dug, into the original article. Apparently there is some pricing arbitrage opportunity to bring in US coal vs Australian coal, since its cheaper. Something about also fullfilling obligations under the Phase 1 deal. Seems pretty non-news at this point since Australia has been anticipating this for months.

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gelgoog

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I dug, into the original article. Apparently there is some pricing arbitrage opportunity to bring in US coal vs Australian coal, since its cheaper. Something about also fullfilling obligations under the Phase 1 deal. Seems pretty non-news at this point since Australia has been anticipating this for months.

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It is a nice joke on the Australians being torpedoed by their supposed ally.
Just keep bootlicking Trump's boots chumps.

Canada is going the same route, ignoring the world's fastest growing market in favor of an US industry that simply isn't there.
 

emblem21

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Too bad they can't avoid their history of greed...
Yeah, trying to reduce dependence in The middle of a second wave of a pandemic that is going through Europe right now, that sound like a brilliant idea. How about pledging that the UK use only there own vaccines and medicine from now on when China has fully developed there’s since obviously after the situation in HK, they still didn’t learn not to keep pissing people off with these ‘I am a lap dog of the USA’ speaches. I swear if they keep on using the ‘human rights’ card after everything, if the UK ends up collapsing due to Brexit, I might just pop a cork and I don’t even drink alcohol.
 
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Good recovery trajectory for China! US's 2022 GDP is going to be only marginally <1% better than its 2019 GDP, i.e. somewhere ~$21.6 trillion USD. Meanwhile, China's 2022 GDP will be at least 17% higher than its 2019 GDP (i.e. ¥116000 trillion RMB!). If the Yuan appreciates to $1 USD= ¥6 RMB between now and the end of 2022, China's Nominal GDP will be $19.3 trillion USD! Meaning China's 2022 GDP will be around >90% of America's GDP, better than I originally expected! We'll see what happens in the coming months and years, but exciting times ahead!
 
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What are your thoughts on this new projected economic forecast of mine's. A month ago I posted a thread on China's economic growth for the coming decade. Since we have more and more data coming out of the Chinese economy, I wanted to provide an update to my own economic projections for China vs the US. I'm no economist, of course, but I just wanted to share my thoughts and predictions. Are you less optimisitic or more optimistic than this economic forecast of mines? Let me know down below!
 
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