Chinese Economics Thread
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Bravado.
As we've seen already, Chinese brands could simply be banned from the Western bloc and Chinese brands also use foreign suppliers that could be cut off.
Huawei is already destroyed as a world brand. Any other "Chinese brand" could be next. Not a single one of them is safe.
The end game of all this is a China economically cut off from the world.
Not sure why people here are so delusional and overconfident that these constant fights are good for business when they clearly are not.
But you can't successful cut off and isolate China.
The indications are that in 5 years time, Huawei will come roaring back as a global brand without any US technology content.
No one has yet seen the end game, but the world will split into factions. China is making trade inroads into Middle East, SEA, Africa and probably will influence Latin America as well. Which is why US has been sleepless, as these market has the potential to be bigger than what they have now. US rules by power, depends on power and use the so called freedom to force submission from poor countries. While China is essentially a trading country, now it has the economic prowess to expand its trade and strong military, this is the natural it goes in the future. Even if USA doesn't initialize a decoupling, China will still goes this way of breaking away from US influence. USA can only use whatever advantage it still has to derail China, via bullying while it still has the mean to do so. Don't buy into US propanganda of China CCP evil. China is now at one of its strongest point in history, where its 1.4b people and government is almost one in purpose and spirit. As a Chinese myself, I am proud to live through this moment. Whether China succeed or not, at least it give a fight, unlike a defeatist that you are. And FYI, China is not cut out from the world, outside of the 5 eyes and Quad, there is still over 150 countries.
Indeed. China should simply submit, CPC dissolved and invite Washington to come in and reform China to suit US' demand. Done, happy now ?
The world? As in hollywood world?
Hi ericlfh,
Good post,
China is now at one of its strongest point in history
Not yet, there are some critical deficiency especially on semiconductor and aircraft engine, but at least this time we had the foundation, talent and resource to push thing forward, we just need to work more harder and improve our situation. 2030 is the date that China wish to achieve its goal of comprehensive national power and its achievable. Right now the US is stirring trouble in Xinjiang, Taiwan and Tibet to hinder that goal and give themselves time to fix their house in order.
where its 1.4b people and government is almost one in purpose and spirit.
A unintended consequence of American Exceptionalism and of course good ole President TRUMP.
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I am fine with China to give it a fight, but I want it to actually fight smart. And that means not getting cut off from world supply chains and getting your products banned because you are bad at diplomacy. China is strong now BECAUSE it integrated with the world, NOT was cut off from the world. China was 900m people all united in one purpose under Mao Zedong too, but it wasn't successful. Why not? Because being united in one purpose alone isn't good enough, you have to be smart. And being integrated with the world is smart, being isolated is dumb. That is the lesson of hundreds of years of Chinese history. Not to close yourself off. Right now the world is dividing into Blocs. Who joins will Bloc will depend on diplomacy.
China is extremely bad at diplomacy, IMO, compared to the US, even under Trump, which is the US worst performance ever. But China could not take advantage of it because of China's "wolf warrior" diplomacy always insulting other countries. I see Chinese diplomats on Twitter all the time gloating over other countries' coronavirus troubles, berating other countries, threatening other countries with economic pain if it does something China doesn't like. How do you think this makes other countries feel? It is NEVER responded to positively. It never brings about any positive result. If you ask me, China has 1.4b people but a falling birth rate and soon falling population, and the world has 7b people. If China can't do diplomacy right, the US will get the rest of the 7b people either in its camp or neutral, but closer to the US camp. Then China will be isolated and can't win like this.
As? How? Explain us with number 1, 2, 3 point.
US diplomacy? US is a country that won a heck of a lottery in form of native america, got nukes & missiles from germans. Since then it has been sanctioning everything from dinosaur to bacteria. What's this diplomatic excellence from US you are talking about?
You are talking about China or US?
Ok, so even after that China will have 1.5 to 2 times population US will have. Currently US has 350 million compared to world's 7b.
So china can't win this because it has falling birth rate, US will somehow get rest 7b in its camp with magically .
Are you talking logic or do you think you are trying to convince bunch of kids with ghost stories you think you will be able to convince?
Simple.
Point 1. Your Bloc has a higher population and more favorable demographics than US Bloc.
Point 2. Your Bloc has a bigger economy than US Bloc.
Point 3. Your Bloc has more advanced technology than US Bloc.
Point 4. Your Bloc has a stronger military than US Bloc.
Right now the US Bloc is beating China/Chinese Bloc on all 4 Points, and it's not even close. If China really wants to challenge the US it needs to build up its Bloc and partners to beat the US and its allies on these 4 points.