Chinese Economics Thread

Gatekeeper

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There was a story a few years ago, where China would come out and say to the rest of the world that they encouraged more development of rare earth production.

The reason the Chinese gave that they thought they would use all of their own domestic rare earth production, and none left for export. So they were warning people who are customers to be aware.

That I thought sounded like total bullshit.

Maybe that all was really a test, a strategic test from CCP to see if the West really had any production capability with rare earths.

Regardless of the case, as the years roll by, we see the answer to that is no.

:)

Actually, I think this was around the Sino-Japanese island dispute if memory serves me well. China did reduced supply to the world and particularly Japan on rare earth. Japan quickly back down.

I'm not sure what happened after that. China should have carry on with restriction of supply in my opinion.
 

B.I.B.

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I believe the Australian rare earth processing plant in Malaysia is only operating on a 6 month license which is down from three years. Even then they are supposed to provide evidence that they are developing a processing plant at an alternative site believed to be Kalgoorlie in Australia. Altogether the Lynas Corp operation meets just under 10% of their needs to produce magnets.
In an effort to boost production in a few short years, further processing sites have been earmarked in Western Australia.
 

B.I.B.

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Actually, I think this was around the Sino-Japanese island dispute if memory serves me well. China did reduced supply to the world and particularly Japan on rare earth. Japan quickly back down.

I'm not sure what happened after that. China should have carry on with restriction of supply in my opinion.
A few years ago Japan found a rich source of rare earth on the ocean floor that would meet them and their allies needs for hundreds of years The biggest problem is meeting an economic extraction target. I believe even as late as last year, they are miles short of meeting their extracting targets. Meanwhile, the Japanese are quite big into recycling rare earth.
 

caudaceus

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Another utter nonsense from the West. As we all know, rare earth is actually not that rare. It's the processing and environmental costs that prohibits the West extracting and processing it.

So the bastion of free market America is going all government intervention and decided to subsidise and re-start their rare earth industry. Well good luck with that.

But here's my issue with that article which flies in the face of free market economics 101. Which states new entrants to an industry lead to increase in supply, and his should in turn lead to increase in consumption and decrease in price. So just how the hell the US is going to fly against basic economic theory by raising the world, and therefore the price China charges for rare earth?

Just who thought this up, Ron varra?

Speaking about environmental costs, I also read somewhere that those are one of the main difficulties of reshoring medical production. The environmental costs for processing pharmaceutical chemical waste are too high and undesirable.
 

siegecrossbow

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China has a near monopoly on "heavy" mineral earth, which is the requisite material for high tech gadgetry. They also own patents on the vast majority of processing techniques and control the entire supply chain flow. Obviously they are waiting till the election theatrics are over to strike a deal or escalate.
 

emblem21

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There are probably some rare earths they cannot find anywhere in enough quantities other than inside China.

They do not talk about that either.

That is why there will be no war between China and America.

America will run out of ordnance. And they know it.
None of this would be a problem if Trump didn’t start the fight in the first places. Hence now that Trump has used most of the ammunition in all these failed moves against China, it seems that the prospects of China finally really firing back is finally scaring the shot out of all of them. Hence why if there is a next president (there is a high chance that regardless of what happens in the election, some corporations/deep state operative is going to bury this idiot for messing with there profits), they will try to salvage what’s left of the relations so that the USA doesn’t have to deal with a mad max situation
 

Tam

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China has a near monopoly on "heavy" mineral earth, which is the requisite material for high tech gadgetry. They also own patents on the vast majority of processing techniques and control the entire supply chain flow. Obviously they are waiting till the election theatrics are over to strike a deal or escalate.

Exactly. China has a huge if not overwhelming patent portfolio in the mining and processings of rare earths, and not just that, but also in other metals including Cobalt, Gallium,and Lithium. Non Chinese sources will struggle matching this output in cost and efficiency, even if they managed to process and refine these metals.

On top of that, it is China that makes most of the stuff after these rare earths and metals are processed. For example, China has been for many years, the dominant player in permanent magnets.
 
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ZHONGSHAN, China — This was supposed to be the year that China’s export machine began to stall. President Trump had imposed broad tariffs on Chinese goods. Countries like Japan and France pushed companies to shift production from China. The
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had crippled China’s factories by the end of January.
Instead, China Inc. has come roaring back.
After reopening in late February and early March, China’s factories began an export blitz that is still gaining steam. Exports soared in July to their second-highest level ever, nearly matching the record-setting Christmas rush last December. The country has grabbed a much larger share of global markets this summer from other manufacturing nations, entrenching a dominance in trade that could last long after the world begins to recover from the pandemic.
China is showing its export machine cannot be stopped — not by the coronavirus and not by the Trump administration. Its resilience lies not only in the country’s low-cost, skilled labor and efficient infrastructure but also in a state-controlled banking system that has been offering small and large businesses extra loans to cope with the pandemic.
The pandemic has also found China better placed than other exporting nations. It is making what the world’s hospitals and housebound families need right now: personal protection gear, home improvement products and lots of consumer electronics.


At the same time, demand has withered for many big-ticket items exported by the United States and Europe, like Boeing and Airbus jets. And with most economies except China’s now mired in recessions, demand has also faltered for the commodities that most developing countries export, particularly oil.
Families all over the world are sprucing up the homes they are now stuck inside. They have been buying everything from computer screens and stereo systems to power tools and home saunas — many of which are made in China.



After export orders for Hongyuan’s saunas more than doubled this year, the company hired 50 extra workers.

After export orders for Hongyuan’s saunas more than doubled this year, the company hired 50 extra workers. Credit...Andrea Verdelli for The New York Times

Hongyuan Furniture in the southern city of Guangzhou has hired 50 extra workers after export orders for its home saunas more than doubled this year. A short drive farther south in Zhongshan, Star Rapid has stayed profitable, making robot casings and quickly producing high-tech models — a process known as rapid prototyping. And a few miles to the west, Trueanalog has ruled out moving production of its top-end stereo speakers to the United States, its main market, or to Vietnam, where wages can be even lower.
At Trueanalog, rows of workers at long, green tables under fluorescent lights meticulously assemble audio speakers for professional recording studios in the United States. China dominates the world’s production of the components that go into the speakers they are putting together — whether magnets, paper cones or rubber foam.

“China has the largest supply chain of the parts you need to make a speaker, and China has the most stable, affordable labor force,” said Philip Richardson, the American owner of Trueanalog.

Star Rapid, the prototype maker, has benefited from Chinese loans. Within days of the start of the pandemic, the state-controlled Bank of China called Gordon Styles, the company’s British chief executive and owner, and strongly urged him to take a $1.4 million corporate loan at low interest, which he did even though the company was still profitable. Chinese authorities also granted the company a rapid-fire series of partial rebates on taxes and government-mandated benefit costs that together exceeded 3 percent of the company’s sales.


Families all over the world have been buying things to spruce up their homes, including saunas made in China.

Families all over the world have been buying things to spruce up their homes, including saunas made in China. Credit...Andrea Verdelli for The New York Times

Despite facing 25 percent U.S. tariffs, Hongyuan has not encountered new competition from other home sauna manufacturers outside China.

Despite facing 25 percent U.S. tariffs, Hongyuan has not encountered new competition from other home sauna manufacturers outside China. Credit...Andrea Verdelli for The New York Times

Workers loading a truck with finished goods at Hongyuan. The finished saunas are disassembled for shipment, to be reassembled at homes in Europe and the United States.

Workers loading a truck with finished goods at Hongyuan. The finished saunas are disassembled for shipment, to be reassembled at homes in Europe and the United States. Credit...Andrea Verdelli for The New York Times

“They wanted to make sure the good companies, as they measure that, don’t fail for lack of a bit of cash,” he said.
The strength of China’s export machine complicates the Trump administration’s push to reduce the trade deficit — the gap between what the United States exports and what it imports. Mr. Trump points to the deficit as proof that unfair practices by China have been hurting the United States, and has campaigned on promises to get tough on China.


Last January, China promised big increases in its imports from the United States as part of an agreement aimed at ending a protracted and increasingly bruising economic war. But actual purchases have lagged.

The agreement left in place most of Mr. Trump’s new tariffs, mainly at 25 percent. Yet those tariffs do not seem to deter many Americans from buying Chinese products, in part because the tariffs are collected only on the wholesale value of products when they reach America’s shores.

Hongyuan says it has not yet encountered any new competition from home sauna manufacturers based elsewhere despite facing 25 percent American tariffs for the past two years. Hongyuan also has access to dozens of suppliers within an hour’s drive that compete vigorously to produce inexpensive glass doors and hinges at the lowest cost.

So Hongyuan can afford to import lumber across the Pacific from Canada, saw the wood and polish it and assemble it into home saunas, and then ship the saunas in kits back across the Pacific all for less than it costs to make saunas in the United States. Considerable hand labor is still involved, although Chinese-made automatic saws now take the lumber in one end and put out boards of various shapes and dimensions.

“Even with the 25 percent tariff, the manufacturers in China still have lower costs,” said Rachel Wang, the company’s export manager.

Such a cost advantage has helped drive China’s share of world exports to nearly 20 percent in the April-to-June quarter this year, up from 12.8 percent in 2018 and 13.1 percent last year, said Rajiv Biswas, the chief Asia economist at IHS Markit, a global data and consulting firm.

Part of that increase is temporary. Some factories elsewhere closed temporarily during the spring because of coronavirus lockdowns or supply chain disruptions linked to the pandemic. China’s own share of global exports dipped somewhat in the January-to-March quarter, to 11 percent, as it was battling the virus.

But China now appears strong in exports across many sectors, even as the cost of its imports is likely to stay low for months to come. China’s trade surplus — when the value of its exports exceeds that of its imports — has ballooned this summer, especially in July.
China’s exports have been helped by the country’s currency, which has remained mysteriously weak even as the economy has emerged from the pandemic with growth stronger than in practically any other nation.
 
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