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Russian President Vladimir Putin said his government may offer China an opportunity to hold a share in one of the biggest energy projects in Siberia, the Vankor oil and gas field.

Putin made the tentative offer on Sept. 1 as he and China's vice premier, Zhang Gaoli, presided over the launch of construction of the oil pipeline that will carry nearly 40 trillion cubic meters of gas to China over 30 years, earning Russia $400 billion during the period.

"The new gas branch will significantly strengthen the economic cooperation with countries in the Asia-Pacific region and, above all, our key partner China," Putin said at the ceremony outside Yakutsk, the capital of Russia's Republic of Yakutia.

In fact, China is so important a partner that Putin said it was likely that the Kremlin would permit Beijing to become a shareholder in the Vankor field in the eastern Siberian region of Krasnoyarsk. Vankor, owned by Rosneft, the state-run Russian oil giant that owns the field, has oil reserves estimated at 520 million metric tons and gas reserves of 95 billion cubic meters.

"Vankor is one of the biggest production operations today and very promising," Putin told Zhang, according to a transcript of the event published on the Kremlin website. "Overall, we take a cautious approach to letting in our foreign partners, but we of course set no restrictions for our Chinese friends."

Putin added, "The state authorities support this idea and we would welcome your participation."

Since Putin first became Russia's president in 1999, the Russian government has increased its hold on the country's enormous energy resources. In the process, it has kept Western oil and gas companies and even private Russian firms from developing them.

Still, Russia needs the money and expertise available only from the West, especially at a time when the country's oil companies are impeded by sanctions imposed by the European Union and the United States because of Moscow's suspected support of pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine.

As a result, Rosneft is seen as being eager to offer partnerships in Vankor to foreign companies, including Britain's BP, the state-run Oil and Natural Gas Corp. of India and ExxonMobil of the United States. The offer of a share to China indicates that Moscow is eager to show that it can get what it wants from partners in the East as well.

Meanwhile, at the ceremony outside Yakutsk, both Putin and Zhang autographed the newly welded pipeline, a tradition in Russia on such occasions. The structure has been dubbed the "Power of Siberia." Also present was Alexei Miller, the CEO of Gazprom, which will provide the gas to China.

"Gazprom is always a reliable supplier of gas to its customers," Miller said, "which also applies to the "Power of Siberia."
 

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Sooner than I thought, but interesting read though.

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China will become the world’s largest economy in 2024, according to the global information provider IHS Inc. (NYSE:IHS). “Over the next 10 years, China’s economy is expected to rebalance toward more rapid growth in consumption, which will help the structure of the domestic economy,” Rajiv Biswas, IHS chief Asia economist, said in a statement by the company based in Englewood, Colo.

Chinese consumer spending is forecast to grow at an annual average rate of 7.7 percent in real terms during the next decade, becoming a key engine of global consumer demand and world growth, IHS said. As a result, it predicted China will overtake the U.S. in terms of nominal gross domestic product in American dollars in 2024. At that point, nominal GDP will be $28.25 trillion in China and $27.31 trillion in the U.S., IHS said.

Biswas said China’s share of world GDP is forecast to rise to about 20 percent in 2025 from about 12 percent in 2013.

“The transmission effects of the strong growth in Chinese consumer demand are already being felt throughout the Asia-Pacific region,” Biswas said. One notable impact has been through Chinese international tourism visits to other Asian countries.

Total Chinese tourism spending abroad rose to $129 billion last year, which makes China the largest source market for international tourism spending globally, according to estimates of the United Nations World Tourism Organization recapitulated by IHS.

Check out the following two comparative charts, the first showing IHS forecasts of nominal GDP in China and the U.S., and the second showing IHS Global Consumer Markets forecasts of consumer spending in China, India, Japan and the U.S.:


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bottom chart shows IHS Global Consumer Markets forecasts of consumer spending in China, India, Japan and the U.S
 
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Chinese online retail giant Alibaba CEO Jack Ma (C) company executives arrive at the New York Stock Exchange on September 19, 2014 (AFP Photo/Jewel Samad)

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Alibaba banners hang outside the New York Stock Exchange on the day of the company's initial public offering, Friday, Sept. 19, 2014 in New York. The Chinese e-commerce giant goes public Friday in a record busting share sale. (AP Photo/Jason DeCrow)

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Jiang Nan, 33, of Beijing, China, poses as a friend photographs him outside the New York Stock Exchange on the day of Alibaba's initial public offering, Friday, Sept. 19, 2014 in New York.

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Jack Ma, founder of Alibaba, smiles during the company's IPO at the New York Stock Exchange, Friday, Sept. 19, 2014 in New York. The stock is expected to start trading Friday under the ticker "BABA." The IPO values Alibaba at $167.62 billion, larger than the current market value of Amazon, Cisco, and eBay. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan)

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In this photo provided by the New York Stock Exchange, Alibaba founder Jack Ma, center, poses for a photograph before ringing the opening bell to celebrate his company's initial public offering, Friday, Sept. 19, 2014, in New York. The Chinese e-commerce giant goes public Friday in a record-busting share sale. (AP Photo/NYSE, Ben Hider)

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Alibaba founder Jack Ma, center, is mobbed as he walks outside the New York Stock Exchange prior to his company's initial public offering, Friday, Sept. 19, 2014, in New York. The Chinese e-commerce giant goes public Friday in a record-busting share sale. (AP Photo/Jason DeCrow)
 

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The first time I saw his picture, I had to do a double take. Really, he was the CEO of Alibaba? Could it be a mistake of the writer? He did not look like a nerd at all, but a retard!

My friend, the man in the picture, is indeed Jack Ma, or Ma Yun. CEO and creator of Alibaba, whose IPO just became the largest in history.

He is also right now the richest man in China, worth 20 billion USD as of 19/09/14.

The richest man in the world, Bill Gates, is worth 76 billion USD.

Jack Ma is also now the top 10 richest people in the tech industry worldwide.

There's plenty of his speeches on youtube, many of which are in English. If you're interested you can go take a look.

There's a reason why people came up with the phrase "don't judge a book by its cover" I guess:)
 

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He's one of the legendary icons in the Chinese Internet industry. Even in China.

It's difficult for anyone to succeed without at least some kind of government background or relations with the government. Yet he succeeded.

When the rest of the Chinese Internet were busy copying Western business models, he came up with the idea of Taobao, which allows Peer-to-Peer online business.

Nobody believed he would succeed and as many would say, like one of the the previous comments, that he's a retard. Especially he doesn't have good looks either. He contacted many Venture Capitalists back in the early days of Alibaba, almost all of them thought he's crazy and laughed in his face.

I'm sure they are regretting their guts out now.

Only the creator of SoftBank Masayoshi Sun saw the potential, supported him, and helped Alibaba to grow. Today, Mayasoshi Sun holds 34% of Alibaba's shares, and guess what, with Alibaba's IPO, he too, became the richest man in Japan.

It is no exaggerating that Alibaba has transformed the lifestyle of millions even hundreds of millions of Chinese people. Opening up an online shop became a proper job that people could proudly tell others. Many young college students made a fortune or paid their college expenses through this channel.

Ali-pay, a service similar to Paypal, is the first in China to introduce the model of payment that the merchant only gets the money when the customer has received the good. It works like this, when Ali-pay receives the payment it keeps it first, then it informs the merchant to post the good, and then when the customer receives the good, the money is then transferred to the merchant.

It has become the de facto payment method for almost all online transactions in China. You can use Alipay to pay for your goods purchased online (not just restricted to Taobao), pay for your online games, pay for your games subscriptions, or even pay for taxi and utility and phone bills!

Then there's the 余额宝(yu'e bao), which can be seen as a saving&investment instrument. You can save your money there and is almost guaranteed a daily return (money there can be used in conjunction with Alipay). This has caused millions of Chinese to save their money their, that even the four largest state-owned banks are affected.

There were once rumours that the banks will resort to government forces to take it down. But apparently Premier Li Keqiang were happy to see it as it is so it still works today.

All in all, this "ugly" and "retarded" man has single-handedly, without any government background, created an online business empire that affects almost an entire generation of young Chinese in one way or another.

On a side note, do you know that it has apparently became a popular saying in China that the best way to comfort your girl after a quarrel is to clear her Taobao wishlist, instead of taking her out for a shopping trip?

Because they all shop online, and they all shop on Taobao!
 

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I could care less what Jack Ma looks like, to me he is an example of an economic success story that started almost from nothing and never gave up his dreams even when he was down. I respect the man's determination and perseverance to bring Alibaba to where it is today.
 
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