China’s relation with the U.S. is not inherently inimical since the former has no desire to enforce a global order in its image. The trouble is that U.S. decision maker demands nothing short of complete capitulation even on strategic redlines.
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China’s relation with the U.S. is not inherently inimical since the former has no desire to enforce a global order in its image. The trouble is that U.S. decision maker demands nothing short of complete capitulation even on strategic redlines.
I dont think Ukraine war will end anytime soon for them. So guess they should stop the import taxes on Chinese cars. lol Russia seem to think turning her economy from a Europe centric economy to Chinese centric one was supposed to be a temporary thing, but it seems they don’t realize the new reality of the new world. Once their economy has already been so focused on investments and products from China and their supply chains adopted to this new trends , it’s far more difficult to redirect things back to the way they were, plus Russian consumers have now gotten used to goods and services from China at good quality and decent prices . So it will be hard to turned them back ways from those. So things will be hard to change again even if the Ukraine war stopped tomorrow (which I don’t think it will, if anything it will carry on for a long time ).
Reason as I’ve said before Ukraine war is the best thing that could happen for China and the more Russia is embroiled and bocked down in that war , the better for China. So Chinas current strategy of not helping Russia militarily win the war but supporting Russia’s economy from collapsing /failing and keep them in this prolong fight is the best strategy for China, and so far things are going rather well.
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I agree completely. China has no desire to challenge the US led order and take her place. In fact even Chinas Paramount leader Xi Jinping has explicitly said this before recently.
but it seems the US is blind and wants China to submit on everything they want irrespective of their red lines, which is absurd. The US/west should understand that Chinas mindset and thinking is not like Russia(I.e a country who has historically been an expansionist aggressive power and who is bent on challenging the existing world order ), they seem to fail to grasp what Beijing really wants which makes them adopt the wrong strategy towards China(reason they keep failing ).
I have said it before, the US should accept Chinas red lines(Taiwan, SCS) and the US can carry on with her world leadership and have the rest of the world, China couldn’t care less as long as Chinas core sovereignty interests are respected . But the US doesn’t even seem to want to accept this little compromise which I think will be to her advantage still. If they were a rational actor they would have accepted this deal.
They are throwing a bone to their domestic manufacturers because they actually imported too much Chinese vehicles. For example, they imported more trucks then they projected what would be sold in 2025. So there is a bunch of unsold Chinese and Russian vehicles sitting in warehouses due to the economic tightening by the central bank. KAMAZ one of their largest truck manufacturers has +30,000 trucks sitting in a warehouse with zero buyers a couple months ago.
The general rule of thumb is that if American or Western media says that "the Chinese government says" without direct quote, just assume they're making it up until confirmed by Chinese state media. There have been far too many fabrications on this front for anything reported in the news to be taken seriously.
As for the possibility of this investment offer happening, I think that there may have been some sort of very informal remark about Chinese investments, but there was no serious offer. Strategically, it doesn't make any sense on China's part because they've largely given up on the idea of working with the West. Or more accurately, that the West is unable to break out of its Cold War mindset so China will have to look at alternatives elsewhere. Also, there really isn't all that much that China needs from the US any more, so why would they offer any major concessions?
It's not happening. The US has never acknowledged the right of any country in the world to have red lines so there's no way for them to respect China's. It's a big political blindspot, but China as enemy number one is about the only thing that the American political spectrum can agree on any more so it's more or less set in stone.
My litmus test for this is the whole Taiwan question. You will constantly see Western commentators talking about "why does China want Taiwan?" and "we don't know when China will invade Taiwan", and these are obvious signs of them not paying any attention to what the Chinese government says on subject. China has had a consistent policy on Taiwan red lines for 50 years! If they can't figure it out by now, they're obviously not paying any attention.
I highly doubt it. If you look at recent policy decisions taken by the Chinese government, you can notice that they are actively vying for global influence. From K-Visa to lowering tarrifs on least developed countries, these are not the actions of an isolationist power. Not to mention they are actively building a blue water navy capable of projecting power far away from SCS and plan to match USN by 2047.
In fact it would be foolishly not to take advantage of the power vacuum left by the US. China now has the opportunity to shape the future of humanity, set the next industrial and technological standards, be the hub of next innovation hub etc.
China isn't isolationist, but it's not expansionist either. Nor is it interested in the kind of Hegemony that the US and the West fosters. You can tell this by looking at the international institutions that China has been building: BRICS, SCO, the BRI. It would have been easy for China to position itself as the leader in any of these, but they don't work like that. China's stated stance is nonintervention in other countries' internal politics, and it's a stance that has its limitations, but it also has a lot of advantages. I don't imagine that China is going to move away from this even if the US ends up isolating itself.
China can already do all of this, and is already doing it; all without having to directly challenge the American power system.
So much is wrong in that video.
The Chris Power guy repeats Patrick McGee's claim about how Apple invested 50~60 billion dollars a year building up China's manufacturing and trained 28 million Chinese workers. These guys are supposed to be the smartest VCs and tech startup founders and yet have no sense of when numbers are just pure bullshit.
They unironically discuss how financialization of the economy is a key US advantage in manufacturing because they are the best capital allocators by far in the world, they just need the government to give them the capital to allocate!
Chris later on also talks about how under the concrete of Chinese buildings it's just cardboard and that's just Chinese culture so they don't need to match China's manufacturing scale but just get close enough in ballpark as half of China's equipment won't work.
Best bit is at the end when Chris talks about only needing to hold China off for 10~15 years and then China population collapse will take care of everything and US hegemony is good for another 300 years.
With this combination of hubris, ignorance, and racist arrogance among its so called best and brightest tech and business leaders, the US is truly doomed.
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The tech and business leaders in the US didn't get to where they are because they're the best and brightest. They did so by being the best connected and by running the best grift. One big part of the grift is to tell the audience the things they want to hear so of course they're going to offer solutions that sound great, but will utterly fail in the real world.
I think that a good illustration of this is to listen to what the people running AI companies say about the potential of the technology and compare it to what Chinese companies are already implementing. It's important to remember that the job of these people is to make money, not to actually fix things or offer workable solutions.