Chinese Economics Thread

[MortyandRick]

CCP implemented strict single child policy which led to the force abortion of millions of Chinese babies. In the end it's to make room for foreigners. No wonder there is so much outrage on Chinese social media regarding K visa.

That's a ridiculous take.
China needs high quality human talent.

And sometimes that talent only has a bachelor's degree eg. Bill gates, Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak etc.

High talent people who have vision and can start world class leading companies. These companies that start in China will then offer high paying jobs to other Chinese citizens, increasing the salary, increasing their wage.

Equating this to the OCP is disingenuous. Even if there isn't the OCP, how does china make sure all those extra births are high quality individuals ? No, they would make competition ever more fierce, and difficult for families to focus on their child, perhaps even causing child neglect.

Concern trolling that this would let in more low level or low class immigration that crowd out Chinese workers is just making assumptions and trying to incite emotional negativity toward the CPC. I mean how do you know who they will let in? Let's see who gets in before making assumptions.

The CPC needs to watch and not let this anger get hijacked by other interests.

 

[JayFalsum]

As someone who actually lives in China, I have to say Indians aren't even that bad here. Citizens of a certain "iron brother" are categorically worse.

Cut from the same cloth, the grooming gangs in UK, mostly Pakistanis.

 

[texx1]

The CCP wanted to get rid of uneducated people like you who use words you don't even understand and can't read what a visa means long before I did. To be frank, I'm angry and disappointed at you losers who are supposedly Chinese. I have never considered myself liberal or PC. I have always said that China is a nation for the Chinese to prove to the world that we are the best. But the insecurity I've seen here is disheartening. The K-visa is literally an attempt to snipe the top young tech/STEM talent of foreign countries so that they can serve their usefullness to China and then go home. And what do I see here?

1. This is mass migration! Allowing any skilled foreign talent to enter your country for a brief period is replacing the Chinese population!
2. Indians!!! Ahhh Indians everywhere! They're gonna take over our country!!
3. It's a slippery slope! Once you let one foreigner in, all of them keep pouring in until you don't have a country anymore!
4. They'll take all our women (because we're such unattractive losers)!!

Goddamn you guys are such scared insecure losers. I hope/wish you weren't Chinese.

I'm married with 3 kids, 1 on the way. That's how hard you always miss LMFAO

I've wrote on this before, it all depends on how it's implemented. I'm fairly sure that it's not to approve of all applicants who meet the minimum requirements, but rather that the minimum requirements must be met to even be considered. And when they are considered, only those with uniquely needed talents will be invited.

Unique talents can meet existing R visa requirements quite easily which makes K visa redundant for them. Lowering standards only increases the chance of fraudulent people slipping through.

Indian international students already in china are not helping the situation by hyping how popular K visas are to their extended family members who are eager to move to china. They are already making claims of how Indians can solve china's demographic problem and expressing wishes that one day Chinese will all speak English to accommodate them.

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来中国学习
我问阿迪尔，为什么会选择来中国读书？
他说，中国上学不要钱，我认为中国未来会发展成一个很发达的国家。目前中国将面临年轻人口短缺的问题，刚好印度人可以帮助中国人解决这个困难，我们印度有很多人才正在供应全世界，比如我的同学有去加拿大，澳大利亚，欧洲……

对K签证如何看？
我说，最近有一个中国工作签证，名字叫K签证。
他回答，这个信息我也知道，这个新闻已经在印度很多地方爆了，我已经接到好多印度的朋友的信息，让我问清楚，怎么可以来中国。
我说，但是中国明显没有欧美西方经济发达，你们应该优选西方国家啊。
他说，这个我不会担心，现在中国年轻人的英语程度正在不断提高，我相信等外国人大批到来，中国英语普及度会越来越高。

Asked about why he came to china to study

He said that education in China is free, and I believe China will develop into a highly advanced nation in the future. Currently, China faces a shortage of young people, and Indians can help address this challenge. India has a wealth of talent serving the global community—for instance, my classmates have gone to Canada, Australia, Europe...

When asked his thoughts on K visa?
I said, “There's a new Chinese work visa called the K visa.”
He replied, “I know about that too. The news has already gone viral in many parts of India. I've gotten messages from several Indian friends asking me to find out how they can come to China.”
I said, “But China clearly isn't as economically developed as Western countries like Europe and America. You should prioritize Western nations.”
He said, “I'm not worried about that. Chinese youth's English proficiency is steadily improving. I believe once large numbers of foreigners arrive, English adoption in China will only accelerate.”

 

[enroger]

Lets wait and see how the K-visa is executed in practice everyone go on outrage, I highly doubt they're gonna let anyone from some random ass university in.

As for Indians, if they come from top rate Indian institution then I don't mind, let them prove their worth in China's market. I'll reserve my outrage until I see random pajeet shitting on the sideway.

Historically Chinese culture has always been able to assimilate foreign culture without fail, just the population mass alone is enough to ensure that.

 

[gk1713]

Backlash based on imagination will not affect CPC at all, it does not work in this way.
The ruthless (positive way) central government must see the real consequence first.
And I personally think the Chinese netizens overestimate the attraction of our motherland, especially for those country heavily affected by western media.
The really big groups of legal or illegal immigrants in China is from SEA and South Korea.

 

[JayFalsum]

LOLOLOL Yes, I'm sure. Not only from appearance, but with IVF, each child has paternity/maternity genetically confirmed to ensure the client that there were no mix ups in any procedurre.

What did Indians do to make you so scared of them? Were you once a happy, fearless man until your wife birthed a half Indian child as you watched? Is that why they're all over your mind and haunt your soul?

Wow, way too much information. Sorry about your PP not working, and you had to use IVF.

 

[manqiangrexue]

Unique talents can meet existing R visa requirements quite easily which makes K visa redundant for them. Lowering standards only increases the chance of fraudulent people slipping through.

What is the difference between R visa and K visa? It's not just that the K visa has reduced requirments, or they would just reduce the requirements for R visa and go with that, right? We have to remember that there are people like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg who dropped out of college to do tech and won, so lowering the requirements only increases our selection pool but it does not mean that worse people can slip in without approval.

Indian international students already in china are not helping the situation by hyping how popular K visas are to their extended family members who are eager to move to china. They are already making claims of how Indians can solve china's demographic problem and expressing wishes that one day Chinese will all speak English to accommodate them.

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Indians have their dreams; why do we pretend that it's their choice to come to China when they please? It's China's choice to approve or disapprove of their application and I don't see any issue with hiring extremely cream of the crop Indians on a case-by-case approval basis especially since the K visa is not connected to employment so they cannot request their employers to lobby the government to approve other Indian K visas to allow them to start hiring their own for a take-over.

Wow, way too much information. Sorry about your PP not working, and you had to use IVF.

LOLOLOL Did my response sting you for so long it took almost a half an hour to come up with that? Sorry but another swing and another miss for you. Everyone here knows that I did IVF because I wanted to do surrogacy. In other words, I didn't want my wife's body to be harmed by 4 consecutive pregnancies so I hired women to become pregnant with her eggs and my sperm; I wanted to protect her figure because she's close to fitness competition level and post-partum changes are quite severe for the number of kids I want to have. Also, we were both almost 35 when the procedure started so having 4 naturally is going to be a big stretch for her.

I'm sorry, my life is pretty perfect. You're not gonna land any lucky punches here, sad little fellow. But it is funny when you try and continuously oscillate between trying to insult me and revealing your inner fear of Indians.

 

[enroger]

And I personally think the Chinese netizens overestimate the attraction of our motherland

This is on point. If we ignore the all the negative propaganda, language is also a huge barrier. So the person must be 1) willing to come to China 2) can deal with the language and 3) highly educated. I don't imagine there're a lot of people that fit those bills, there is not gonna be a flood like some people imagined.

In any case, CPC will run this like a science experiment just like everything else they do. They'll slowing turn on the spigot and observe the result, adjust the rate of influx as they go.

 

[Nevermore]

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People's Daily Commentary: Misinterpreting the K Visa Only Misleads the Public
Effective October 1, China will introduce a new K visa specifically for foreign young scientific and technological talents, drawing global attention. Against the backdrop of some countries turning inward and excluding international talent, China has keenly seized this important opportunity by promptly introducing policies that will undoubtedly have a profound impact on the nation's future development. Some individuals have misread and misunderstood the policy, voicing bizarre arguments that mislead the public and stir unnecessary anxiety.
Those who advocate “foreign worship” argue that China possesses ample domestic talent reserves, questioning why it should “look far afield” to recruit foreign talent. Such a perspective is overly narrow.

Some critics argue that the K visa program has insufficiently stringent requirements, claiming it will lure foreign young science and technology talents and take away jobs from local workers. This is an unnecessary concern.
K visas are issued to young foreign science and technology professionals specializing in STEM fields, requiring a bachelor's degree or higher from renowned domestic or international universities or research institutions. They are not the “low-skilled labor” portrayed in online hype. Such talent is in high demand and welcome in large numbers—how could they possibly impact employment?

Those who peddle the notion of an “immigration crisis” argue that with the cautionary tales of immigration issues in some countries still fresh in our minds, why insist on “jumping into the fire pit”? This is utter nonsense.
The K visa merely facilitates foreign youth with scientific and technological expertise to work and live in China—it cannot be equated with immigration. Moreover, the new visa category will be accompanied by corresponding management systems. The so-called “immigration crisis” will not materialize.
At the same time, Chinese culture is profound and extensive, capable of properly addressing relevant issues and resolving various contradictions. We should possess such cultural confidence.

Those who argue that the K visa poses “security risks” claim it may admit individuals with “potential risks,” potentially impacting national security and social governance. This reflects a lack of confidence.
China is widely recognized as one of the world's safest nations, underpinned by robust rule of law and technological advancements that demonstrate formidable governance capabilities. We cannot abandon progress due to minor setbacks, nor should we refrain from action entirely out of fear of potential risks. Faced with various risks and challenges along our path forward, we possess sufficient wisdom and capability to address them. We should have full confidence in this regard.

 

[texx1]

What is the difference between R visa and K visa? It's not just that the K visa has reduced requirments, or they would just reduce the requirements for R visa and go with that, right? We have to remember that there are people like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg who dropped out of college to do tech and won, so lowering the requirements only increases our selection pool but it does not mean that worse people can slip in without approval.

R visa is designed for foreigners who are highly talented or have urgently needed specialized skills, skills that are in short supply among Chinese workforce. When there is an actual shortage, Chinese public would welcome foreign talents. In other words, if the concern is truly about skills or talents, existing R visa already has it covered. There is a little need to create a new visa with much relaxed requirement.

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Since K Visa applicants don't need job offers or invitation letter from Chinese companies, I question their competitiveness in an already crowded domestic job market. For truly talented individuals or workers with in demand skills, Chinese firms would have headhunted, provided them with job offers/invitations or even promise funding before the whole visa process. Chinese employers would have comfortably managed the R visa process for talented foreigners.

So... you want them all to be born to further increase the youth unemployment or you want more to be terminated to drop the unemployment rate? When it comes to foreigners working in China, we discuss it (again, same point) at the bottom.

With youth unemployment so high, who knows where they'd be working, how many Alexandr Wangs and Jensen Huangs were terminated to prevent the excess from strengthening foreign talent pools or sucking away resources from Chinese education to feed them.

They can be concerned but they need to watch what happens. If the K visa is made to increase existing talent that is already an excess in China, then it is likely a mistake. If it was made to introduce lacking talent to catalyze China's tech landscape then it's a great thing. And let's not forget, at a time when America is becoming hostile to foreign tech talent, the added bonus is sucking away America's resources.

Who knows maybe some of those aborted children could turn out to be great innovators and helped to create new industries that managed to reduce Chinese domestic unemployment. As a result, China would not have record youth unemployment. We are both arguing hypotheticals really just coming from opposite directions.

For many Chinese, single child policy was privately justified as a sacrifice they endured for a better developed china, something they would enjoy/benefit. A kind of social contract between Chinese people and CCP.

Creating a less stringent visa without public consultation when R Visa already exists is seen as a betrayal. Many Chinese don't believe these potential immigrants have earned the same benefits given the preferential treatments foreign students have already received. They believe Chinese locals deserve to be better treated after making extraordinary personal sacrifices. That's why there is so much anger.