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The Chinese are now buying as much stuff as Americans, a game-changer for the world economy


By Heather Long

January 11 at 11:10 AM 
The mighty force of consumerism has taken hold in China. In 2018, retail sales in China are expected to equal or surpass sales in the United States for the first time, another definitive marker in China's rise to economic superpower status. The growth of China's domestic retail market is luring everyone from automakers to make up companies that want to cash in on the country's growing middle class, but it also serves as another complication in President Trump's quest to transform U.S.-China trade.

Retail sales in China are on track to hit just over $5.8 trillion this year, according to Mizuho, a Japanese bank. It's a stunning rise from a decade ago, when retail sales in China were a quarter of those in the United States. China's rapidly growing middle class has been eager to buy brand-name clothes, cars and cellphones, among other products. Shanghai is now referred to in fashion circles as “Paris of the East.” Their spending habits have been supported by fatter paychecks, with China's income per capita jumping from about $2,000 a year a decade ago to over $8,000 a year now.

“China's best bargaining chip is its massive and fast-growing domestic market,” says Jianguang Shen, chief China economist for Mizuho, who pointed out the retail trend in a recent presentation in Washington, D.C. “This will change the balance (of power) tremendously, as it is first time when the U.S. is dealing with a market of equal size in a potential trade war.”

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On the campaign trail, Trump railed against China as the “economic enemy” of the American people. He harped on the fact that the United States buys far more than it sells to China. The United States ran a $310 billion trade deficit with China in 2016. But Trump has softened his tone on China lately, especially after he visited China in November, and the countries have jointly faced escalating nuclear tensions with North Korea.

Stephen K. Bannon, Trump's former chief strategist, was one of the harshest critics of China in the White House. “To me, the economic war with China is everything," Bannon said over the summer. His excommunication from the Trump fold might also reduce the urgency in the White House to go after China.

Still, the two nations continue to dance around each other in a quest for global and economic dominance. Both sides continue to look for leverage over the other. On Wednesday morning, a Bloomberg story suggesting the Chinese government might halt its purchases of U.S. Treasurys was enough to temporarily spook U.S. markets, sending stocks sliding in early trading. China is the largest foreign holder of U.S. Treasurys. There are also more playful jabs between the countries. A mall in northern China put up a giant dog balloon that bears a striking resemblance to Trump.

If Trump really wants to go after China on trade, “we will need leverage and we will need allies,” says Olin Wethington, who served as a special envoy to China in 2005 and as an economic adviser to President George H.W. Bush. Wethington's name has surfaced for a possible role in Trump's State Department.

Wethington says he personally prefers bringing trade cases against China over the blanket tariffs Trump talked about on the campaign trail, which many warn would spark a trade war that could harm the U.S. economy and the stock market's rapid climb.

While Trump wants to show his blue-collar base he is being tough on trade, big businesses don't want to see any dramatic actions. Over 20 percent of sales at companies like General Motors, Boeing and Apple now come from China, says Shen, the Mizuho economist. Any restrictions on Chinese access to the United States would likely be met with barriers to American companies selling in China.

“China is one of the most important markets for many U.S. multinational companies,” Shen says. “This should lend China immense bargaining power.”

A record 17.6 million vehicles were sold in the United States in 2016, for example, but that was far below the 24 million passenger cars sold in China. U.S. automakers account for about 1 out of every 5 cars sold in China, even though the communist government placed a 10 percent tax on luxury cars and trucks imported from the United States.

But MIT economist David Autor, an authority on trade and automation, thinks the United States still has substantial leverage in any debate with President Xi Jinping of China.

“China exports a substantial piece of its GDP to the United States. They are very dependent on our markets,” Autor says. The United States currently buys 19 percent of China's total exports.

One area where there's a lot of agreement across the political spectrum is to go after China's theft of U.S. intellectual property. It's an increasingly important area as the race for global dominance in robotics, biotech and new energy takes off. Trump has been mulling whether to take action, although he's largely been focused on Chinese steel and aluminum. Trump has pointed to the tariffs President Ronald Reagan put on Japanese semiconductors in the 1980s as a model he wants to emulate, but the difference is the U.S. economy was far larger than Japan's at the time. Now the United States faces an economic equal.

As Trump deliberates what to do, Autor says the president has already handed China a great victory on trade.

“Trump did China the biggest favor of the last 10 years by tearing up TPP (the Trans-Pacific Partnership)," Autor says, calling it the best gift to China since the communist country joined the World Trade Organization in 2001. “If you want to look for an inflection point in rate of U.S. global decline, we’ll probably be able to point to tearing up TPP.”

Great time to invest in Chinese ecommerce companies.
 

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The Chinese are now buying as much stuff as Americans, a game-changer for the world economy


By Heather Long

January 11 at 11:10 AM 
The mighty force of consumerism has taken hold in China. In 2018, retail sales in China are expected to equal or surpass sales in the United States for the first time, another definitive marker in China's rise to economic superpower status. The growth of China's domestic retail market is luring everyone from automakers to make up companies that want to cash in on the country's growing middle class, but it also serves as another complication in President Trump's quest to transform U.S.-China trade.

Retail sales in China are on track to hit just over $5.8 trillion this year, according to Mizuho, a Japanese bank. It's a stunning rise from a decade ago, when retail sales in China were a quarter of those in the United States. China's rapidly growing middle class has been eager to buy brand-name clothes, cars and cellphones, among other products. Shanghai is now referred to in fashion circles as “Paris of the East.” Their spending habits have been supported by fatter paychecks, with China's income per capita jumping from about $2,000 a year a decade ago to over $8,000 a year now.

“China's best bargaining chip is its massive and fast-growing domestic market,” says Jianguang Shen, chief China economist for Mizuho, who pointed out the retail trend in a recent presentation in Washington, D.C. “This will change the balance (of power) tremendously, as it is first time when the U.S. is dealing with a market of equal size in a potential trade war.”

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On the campaign trail, Trump railed against China as the “economic enemy” of the American people. He harped on the fact that the United States buys far more than it sells to China. The United States ran a $310 billion trade deficit with China in 2016. But Trump has softened his tone on China lately, especially after he visited China in November, and the countries have jointly faced escalating nuclear tensions with North Korea.

Stephen K. Bannon, Trump's former chief strategist, was one of the harshest critics of China in the White House. “To me, the economic war with China is everything," Bannon said over the summer. His excommunication from the Trump fold might also reduce the urgency in the White House to go after China.

Still, the two nations continue to dance around each other in a quest for global and economic dominance. Both sides continue to look for leverage over the other. On Wednesday morning, a Bloomberg story suggesting the Chinese government might halt its purchases of U.S. Treasurys was enough to temporarily spook U.S. markets, sending stocks sliding in early trading. China is the largest foreign holder of U.S. Treasurys. There are also more playful jabs between the countries. A mall in northern China put up a giant dog balloon that bears a striking resemblance to Trump.

If Trump really wants to go after China on trade, “we will need leverage and we will need allies,” says Olin Wethington, who served as a special envoy to China in 2005 and as an economic adviser to President George H.W. Bush. Wethington's name has surfaced for a possible role in Trump's State Department.

Wethington says he personally prefers bringing trade cases against China over the blanket tariffs Trump talked about on the campaign trail, which many warn would spark a trade war that could harm the U.S. economy and the stock market's rapid climb.

While Trump wants to show his blue-collar base he is being tough on trade, big businesses don't want to see any dramatic actions. Over 20 percent of sales at companies like General Motors, Boeing and Apple now come from China, says Shen, the Mizuho economist. Any restrictions on Chinese access to the United States would likely be met with barriers to American companies selling in China.

“China is one of the most important markets for many U.S. multinational companies,” Shen says. “This should lend China immense bargaining power.”

A record 17.6 million vehicles were sold in the United States in 2016, for example, but that was far below the 24 million passenger cars sold in China. U.S. automakers account for about 1 out of every 5 cars sold in China, even though the communist government placed a 10 percent tax on luxury cars and trucks imported from the United States.

But MIT economist David Autor, an authority on trade and automation, thinks the United States still has substantial leverage in any debate with President Xi Jinping of China.

“China exports a substantial piece of its GDP to the United States. They are very dependent on our markets,” Autor says. The United States currently buys 19 percent of China's total exports.

One area where there's a lot of agreement across the political spectrum is to go after China's theft of U.S. intellectual property. It's an increasingly important area as the race for global dominance in robotics, biotech and new energy takes off. Trump has been mulling whether to take action, although he's largely been focused on Chinese steel and aluminum. Trump has pointed to the tariffs President Ronald Reagan put on Japanese semiconductors in the 1980s as a model he wants to emulate, but the difference is the U.S. economy was far larger than Japan's at the time. Now the United States faces an economic equal.

As Trump deliberates what to do, Autor says the president has already handed China a great victory on trade.

“Trump did China the biggest favor of the last 10 years by tearing up TPP (the Trans-Pacific Partnership)," Autor says, calling it the best gift to China since the communist country joined the World Trade Organization in 2001. “If you want to look for an inflection point in rate of U.S. global decline, we’ll probably be able to point to tearing up TPP.”



A lot of exaggeration in this article.

I will just point out that TPP at its inception is already a dead duck. US has to twist the arms of many countries to get them to sign. And only a handful of countries signed. You can count them with both hands and your two toes. In fact TPP is bad for the US and many countries.

So Trump didn't gift China with anything, it will just naturally runs its course to the same conclusion anyway.

Also you really don't need to be a genius to search for those number to see the rise of China as consumer titan. Just have a look at that last year's movie "Wolf Warrior 2".

$874 million at the Chinese box office alone.

I don't think I have ever seen a movie outside of US made that much money alone (except for UK - James Bond & Harry Potter movies seems to make pretty pennies).
 
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China's 2017 exports rose 7.9% in dollar terms — imports jumped 15.9%
  • China's dollar-denominated trade data for 2017: A 7.9 percent jump in exports and a 15.9 percent rise in imports
  • China's overall trade surplus for 2017 was $422.5 billion
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A worker stands on piles of industrial products before exporting, at a port of Lianyungang, China
China reported a 7.9 percent jump in exports and 15.9 percent rise in imports — both in dollar terms — for 2017.

In yuan terms, exports for the year rose 10.8 percent and imports increased 18.7 percent, the country's General Administration of Customs said Friday.

China's overall trade surplus for 2017 was $422.5 billion, a decline from 2016.


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The world's second-largest economy posted broadly strong data for 2017 on the back of a broad global recovery. That was despite-wide ranging concerns about the Chinese economy, including high debt levels, asset bubbles and a slowdown in industrial sectors.

In December, exports rose 10.9 percent from a year ago, while imports rose 4.5 percent.

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expected dollar-denominated exports to rise 9.1 percent from a year ago in December, slowing from the 12.3 percent growth in November.

Dollar-denominated import growth, meanwhile, is seen at 13 percent in December against a 17.7 percent growth in November, the economists forecast. Trade balance is forecast to be $37 billion in December against $40.21 in November.

It will be hard for China's foreign trade growth to remain in the double digits this year, Huang Songping, spokesman for the General Administration of Customs, said on Friday at a press briefing.

While solid global growth is likely to provide some support for Chinese exports in 2018, there will be headwinds, Nomura analysts wrote in a note on Friday.

"Later this year, we believe real effective exchange rate appreciation and an increase in US protectionism could weigh on Chinese export growth, narrowing the trade surplus further," they added.

Trade with China is politically sensitive as the world's second-largest economy runs surpluses against many of its trading partners.

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has repeatedly signaled tougher action on what he calls unfair practices that have lead to a massive trade deficit with China.

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that China will keep its target for economic growth at "around 6.5 percent" in 2018 — the same as in 2017.
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Excellent news with consumer demand strong, export is doing well Now the Yuan is strong contrary to some basher who gleefully predict a run on Chinese yuan to the dismay of Economist. China 1 Basher zip

Stable handsHow China won the battle of the yuan
Capital controls, economic strength and a bit of luck go a long way

Jan 11th 2018
“THE horse may be out of the proverbial barn.” So wrote Ben Bernanke, a former chairman of the Federal Reserve, in early 2016, arguing that capital controls might be powerless to save China from a run on its currency. He was far from alone at the time. As cash rushed out of the country, analysts debated whether the yuan would collapse, and some hedge funds bet that day was coming fast. But two years on, the horse is back in the barn: the government’s defence of the yuan has succeeded, in part through tighter capital controls.

The latest evidence was an 11th consecutive monthly increase in foreign-exchange reserves in December. During that time China’s stockpile of official reserves, the world’s biggest, climbed by $142bn, reaching $3.14trn, roughly double the cushion usually regarded as needed to ensure financial stability. Another sign of China’s success is the yuan itself. At the start of 2017 the consensus of forecasters was that the currency would continue to weaken; it finished the year up by 6% against the dollar.

Investors and analysts were not wrong in viewing Chinese capital controls as porous. Enterprising types had—and have—umpteen ways to sneak money out, from overpaying for imports to smuggling cash across the border in luggage. But there is a wide spectrum between a fully open and fully closed capital account, and China has showed over the past year that it can tilt towards closure, at least for a time.

Its measures were directed at actors big and small. Under more scrutiny from regulators, China’s overseas acquisitions fell by more than a third, to $140bn last year. Individuals were still permitted to convert up to $50,000 a year, but they faced heavier disclosure burdens. The government is in no hurry to relax these controls: a new, lower ceiling on withdrawals from ATMs abroad went into effect on January 1st.

Also crucial to China’s defence of the yuan was an economic rebound. Housing prices soared and industrial firms’ profits rose by 20% last year on the back of higher commodity prices. Here, Mr Bernanke can claim some vindication: in looking at China’s options in 2016, he had suggested that a fiscal boost would support growth and so help keep cash at home. An unconventional policy mix—investment in low-income housing and closure of excess industrial capacity—did the trick.

China had a stroke of good luck, too. Many had thought that Donald Trump’s presidency would initially add to dollar strength, which might have pulled cash away from China. But America’s political muddle instead weighed on the dollar. Not only did that boost the relative allure of Chinese assets, it also made its foreign-exchange reserves look more valuable in dollar terms, because roughly a third are held in other currencies. Over the past year, true inflows accounted for just about a third of the rise in China’s reserves; valuation changes explained the rest (see chart). Other Asian economies with hefty foreign-currency reserves, from Japan to Taiwan, reaped similar gains.

As America cuts taxes and raises interest rates, the dollar may soon perk up. But China has less cause for concern than in 2016. Capital controls have reinforced the bolts on its barn door. And with growth holding up, the horse inside is well-fed.
 

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China's exporters have had a blockbuster year.
Exports to the United States surged 15% in 2017, helping push the country's huge trade surplus with the U.S. to a new record, according to Chinese government data released Friday.

The U.S. government hasn't announced its own trade figures for the whole of 2017, but experts say they are also likely to show a massive deficit with China.

That's unlikely to sit well with President Trump, who focuses on America's balance of trade as the key measure of economic relations with other countries even though economists say it paints an incomplete picture.

"The record high trade surplus is likely to lead to more trade disputes between China and the U.S.," said Tommy Xie, an economist at Singaporean bank OCBC.

China benefited from increasing momentum in the wider global economy last year: the country's overall exports increased 11%, according to government data. And American demand was a big part of that.

The "continued strength of China's exports to the U.S. ... is bound to add to U.S.-China trade tensions," Louis Kuijs, head of Asia economics at research firm Oxford Economics, noted on Friday.

U.S. data show that the deficit in goods trade with China was already $347 billion in 2016.

Trump campaigned on a promise to get tough on Chinese trade practices, but he pulled his punches last year. He failed to follow through on a pledge to label Beijing a currency manipulator and a threat to slap huge tariffs on Chinese goods.

Experts say they fear the situation could deteriorate this year, though.

Trump will have opportunities to impose tariffs on a range of Chinese goods. If he does, it could provoke tit-for-tat reprisals from Beijing.

What's more, if China's economy slows this year as some experts predict, that could widen the trade deficit further.

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, down from around 6.8% in 2017. That could mean softening demand for imports as Chinese businesses and consumers tighten their belts.

This "may create tensions with its trading partners," said Capital Economics economist Julian Evans-Pritchard in a note to clients on Friday.
 
China now has a labor shortage.


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January 13, 2018 12:01 pm JST
Japanese robot makers see strong Chinese tailwinds in 2018
Record demand fueled by China's worker shortage and robust economy

MASASHI ISAWA and YURI MASUDA, Nikkei staff writers


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Industrial robot demand from Japanese companies has reached record levels.

TOKYO -- Japanese production of industrial robots appears likely to rise 10% in value this year and hit 1 trillion yen ($8.99 billion) for the first time, the Japan Robot Association said Friday, as China feverishly automates factories amid a labor shortage, rising wages and economic confidence.



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CEO Yoshiharu Inaba, the association's chairman, told an excited group at the industry's New Year's celebration here Friday that output soared 30% last year to about 900 billion yen.
"Output could reach 2 trillion yen in three to five years if things go smoothly," Inaba predicted, adding later that "demand will expand for more than five years. The 2 trillion yen mark is probably just a checkpoint."

China will continue driving this growth. "Orders [from China] are increasing further," said Yasuhiko Hashimoto, general manager of the robot division for
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. "There are no concerns at this point."

"Chinese demand will not deteriorate," said Hiroshi Ogasawara, president of
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. "Nothing is decided, but we would probably choose China if we add facilities in the future."

Fanuc looks to capture such brisk demand by building a roughly 63 billion yen robot factory in Japan's Ibaraki Prefecture. The site is expected to produce up to 4,000 units a month when fully operational and boost Fanuc's capacity by over 50%.

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plans to begin robot production in China in June, lifting total capacity by 50% compared with 2016 when combined with the company's Japanese plants.

China's strong demand for robots is fueled primarily by the country's severe labor shortage, while more Chinese companies also are introducing robots to improve product quality. Manufacturing services increasingly use robots to assemble smartphones as well as servers, smart speakers, electronic autoparts and other electronics.

No slacking
The Japan Machine Tool Builders' Association projected Thursday that tool orders will reach 1.7 trillion yen this year topping the record set for 2017.

"The forecast does not incorporate much smartphone demand," Chairman Yukio Iimura said of what was a conservative forecast. "Work is not just going to large companies but to small and midsize businesses as well."

But some machine tool executives see the current situation as a bubble. Chinese demand could sink should Beijing tighten monetary policy, while unpredictable risks include sudden changes in foreign exchange rates, government or a conflict arising. Bitter memories remain from the 2008 financial crisis, when orders plunged to one-fourth of their level before the shock.

The robotics industry also faces its own shortage of specialized system architects, while the industrial machinery field undergoes a revolution similar to the upheaval seen in automobiles and appliances.

Competition with Chinese machine tool makers poses a threat as well, as Japan's foreign rivals progress on technology to manage factory devices via the internet.

"This is no time to get complacent," Iimura warned. "How we differentiate Japanese products will be essential."
 

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Does it really matter If China is lying about the levels of contamination in foreign waste as the reason to reject foreign waste as charged by an EU Secretary General? That's like Western countries claiming to be environmentally conscience above all others when all they do ship their garbage out to another country and not actually recycle it. China is not obligated to take their garbage. It's no different from using national security as an excuse to prevent Chinese hi-tech electronics to compete with theirs in their markets. They seem to be okay when China makes their electronics for their corporations.
 
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Chinese FM rejects claim China's financing increases Africa's debt burden
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Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi on Sunday rebuked a false claim that China's financing has increased the debt burden of African countries.

Wang, on a visit to Angola, made the comment while holding a joint press conference with his Angolan counterpart Manuel Domingos Augusto.

Such a claim, which is made with ulterior motives, is an outright false accusation, said Wang, when asked for a response to the claim that Chinese financing to African countries, including Angola, has increased their debt burden and is stringed with political considerations.

Wang noted that with deepening Sino-African cooperation in recent years, China has indeed increased its financing support for African countries.

In the process, however, China has always adhered to the following fundamental principles, Wang stressed.

First, Wang said, China's financing is in response to Africa's demands for self-development. A country would have a huge need for capital in its primary stage of economic take-off and industrialization and Africa is no exception, he said.

China has provided financing to the best of its ability in response to the demands of African countries, which has served as a timely help for their socio-economic development and is highly valued and welcomed by them, he said.

Second, China has never attached political conditions, he said.

Like African countries, China also had memories of a bitter past when, with its economic lifeline controlled by foreigners, it was unfairly treated and even exploited and oppressed, Wang said.

Therefore, when providing aid to and engaging in cooperation with Africa, China will not repeat what Western countries did and will never impose its own views on others, he said.

Third, China has always followed the principle of mutual benefit and win-win results, he said.

Sino-African cooperation is in essence part of South-South cooperation, and a key characteristic of the latter is that sustained and long-lasting common development can only be achieved through treating each other on an equal footing and ensuring mutual benefit, he said.

To this end, China's financing support for Africa has always gone through a strenuous process of feasibility study with a market-driven approach so that due economic and social effects could be achieved after fulfilling each one of the cooperative projects, he said.

Wang pointed out that the current debt status in some African countries is the accumulative result after a long period of time.

China is a staunch supporter of African countries' efforts to remedy the problem through sustainable development and economic diversification, he said.

China will continue to do its part in helping Africa enhance its self-development capacity and realize sound economic and social growth, he said.

Wang expressed optimism about Africa's economic growth, saying that China is pleased to see that the African economy had bottomed out last year and that African countries have come to realize the importance of sustainable development.

Citing a Chinese saying that goes: only the feet know if the shoes fit, Wang said that African countries are the best qualified to speak about their cooperation with China.

There is another Chinese saying that goes: people have a sense of natural justice, said Wang , stressing that the African people are in the best position to decide who is Africa's true friend and most reliable partner.
 
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