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manqiangrexue

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Both Uber and Didi are killing one another in China. So far, neither Uber nor Didi have seen profits from their investments.

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by Ben Frederick@mp_benfred, Yesterday, 9:56 AM

Ride-sharing app Uber has reportedly merged its China business with Didi Chixung, Uber’s main rival in China. The merger will result in the creation of a $35 billion company, and Uber will receive a $1 billion investment.

Uber China investors will receive a 20% stake of the new company.

“As an entrepreneur, I’ve learned that being successful is about listening to your head, as well as following your heart,” Travis Kalanick, CEO of Uber, wrote in a blog post reported byBloomberg.

“Uber and Didi Chuxing are investing billions of dollars in China, and both companies have yet to turn a profit there. Getting to profitability is the only way to build a sustainable business that can best serve Chinese riders, drivers and cities over the long term.”

Uber has sunk more than $2 billion in China to little effect, and neither it nor Didi have seen profits from their investments in the country. China has only recently passed a law legalizing ride-sharing businesses, which it previously suppressed. will allow for expansion of the businesses.

The U.S.-based company is reportedly planning to spend $500 million on a global mapping project, which will wean its dependence on Google Maps. This will also make it more accurate in countries where there is a high volume of passengers, but less accurate maps.

Uber appears to be consolidating its resources as it makes vertical moves toward driverless cars and proprietary mapping tech.
Super impressed. Every country Uber entered, it either hammered the local competition into the ground and continues to drink their blood or the government had to step in to ban Uber in order to protect its own transportation industry (which is basically admitting defeat but refusing to take the beating). Only in China does a local company rise up to beat Uber into submission at its own game.
 

AndrewS

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Wall St Journal

China’s Impending Robot Revolution
Thanks to automation, Chinese manufacturers will only grow stronger and more competitive.
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Our work with Chinese and multinational clients leads us to conclude that, far from being blindsided by these new technologies, China’s private manufacturers have the opportunity, thanks to robots, to emerge stronger and more competitive than ever.
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The vast size of China’s manufacturing industry offers huge potential for economies of scale. President
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has declared automation a national priority. And “Made in China 2025,” an industry strategy announced by Beijing last year, provides manufacturers with billions of yuan for technological upgrades, including advanced machinery and robots.
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According to the International Federation of Robotics, China was already the world’s biggest market for industrial robots in 2013. By 2014, Chinese factories accounted for 25% of the world’s industrial robots, a 54% increase over the previous year. Last year, Chinese manufacturers bought 68,000 of the 248,000 industrial robots sold globally. Industry experts expect that share to continue rising.
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China’s leaders are also pushing for China to become not just the world’s largest robot buyer, but a leading robot maker. At the forefront of that effort are firms such as GSK CNC and Shanghai’s
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, which are developing a range of robots for use in factories, and SZ DJI Technology Co., now the world’s largest consumer-drone maker by dollar sales.
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Yet despite the breakneck pace of transition, the risk of political instability in China is small. The country is used to rapid change. Job turnover in the manufacturing industry is 2½ times that of the U.S. and has been so for decades.
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As China forges ahead with automation, there are at least three reasons to believe its chances for success are higher than the U.S., Europe or Japan.

First, China has developed a unique manufacturing ecosystem. Its companies, working in partnership with global firms, have created an extraordinarily sophisticated supply chain and built a network of collaboration between people and machines that allows for maximum flexibility at minimal capital investment. There is no parallel to this in any other economy in the world.
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Second, with the possible exception of India, no other nation can match China’s capacity for producing the number of engineers necessary to oversee industrial robots at significant scale. One recent analysis concluded that each year China graduates at least three times as many engineers as the U.S.
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Finally, the rising purchasing power of China’s consumers will provide a solid anchor for China-based manufacturing. Even with a slowing economy, China remains home to the world’s fastest growing middle class. Already there are 116 million middle-class and affluent households in China, with annual disposable incomes of at least $21,000. In 2000, there were just two million such households. With spending power of that magnitude, global companies have ample incentive to keep factories in China.
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We see little cause to expect manufacturing to shift back to developed markets. China will not only remain the world’s factory, but it could increase the size of its manufacturing sector by as much as 22% by 2025. Western leaders would be ill-advised to imagine that these new technologies will play disproportionately to their advantage. Far from being left behind, China is at the forefront of the robot revolution.

Mr. Sneader is the chairman of McKinsey & Company, Asia. Mr. Woetzel is a director of the McKinsey Global Institute.

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ahojunk

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The next generation of China's HSR, which will run at 380 km/h.

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New high-speed Chinese trains reach 380 km/h
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2016/08/04

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The latest batch of China's high-speed trains will serve west China for the first time. (Photo: China News Service)

The latest generation of high-speed Chinese trains are the fastest commercial trains in history, with a maximum running speed of up to 380 kilometres per hour.

After being transported to Xi'an, a city in the northwestern Chinese province of Shaanxi, the trains will be put into operation in September 2016, according to
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The railway line will run from Xi'an to Shanghai, approximately 1,300 km in distance, and several other cities in east China including Fuzhou and Hefei.

The move represents the first time west China has been equipped with the newest generation of high-speed trains, whose average running speed has increased from 300 km/h to 350 km/h.

In an article from July 2016,
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reported that China has laid nearly 19,300 km of high-speed rail lines, with a further 10,000 km planned for the next five years.
 

ahojunk

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This is good news for renewable energy.

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Source: Xinhua | 2016-07-27 23:05:38 | Editor: huaxia

BEIJING, July 27 (Xinhua) -- Installed wind power capacity in China had jumped 30 percent year on year by the end of June amid increasing government efforts to boost clean energy, official data showed Wednesday.

China had 137 gigawatts of installed wind power capacity as of the end of June, with 7.74 gigawatts added in the first half of the year, according to the National Energy Administration (NEA).

However, wind-power use fell due to wastage. The average usage of wind power in the first half was 917 hours, 85 less than the same period last year, the NEA said.

It noted that 32.3 billion kilowatt hours of wind power had been wasted, an increase of 14.8 billion kilowatt hours from a year earlier.

China is promoting non-fossil energy including wind power to power its economy in a cleaner and more sustainable manner. The government aims to lift the proportion of non-fossil energy in energy consumption to 20 percent by 2030 from the current level of around 11 percent.

China's energy mix is currently dominated by coal.
 

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Article about china´s debt problem

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Whoa. More than 15% fiscal deficit to GDP. We are talking about very high numbers. AFAIK the EU doesnt allow any member country to put that number above 3%.

This cant end well for china. They arent making any effort to deleverage or control the rise of debt.
 

ahojunk

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(Xinhua) 19:33, August 08, 2016

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BEIJING, Aug. 8 -- China's home appliance manufacturer Midea said Monday that it was taking a 95 percent holding in German robotics maker Kuka.

Midea will take 37,605,732 shares, 94.55 percent of Kuka after the bid is settled. Kuka shareholders who have not yet tendered their shares will be unable sell their stake to Midea now as the bid has expired, according to a statement from Midea.

Midea announced the bid on June 16, offering to pay 115 euros (127 U.S. dollars) per share. It held a 13.5 percent stake in Kuka before the bid.

To alleviate concerns over the takeover, Midea has pledged to maintain Kuka's independence, and has no plans to seek a domination agreement or delist the company. It will not change the headquarters nor reduce the workforce.

One of the world's top robot makers, Kuka, founded in 1898 and based in Augsburg, has a workforce of 12,000. Its 2015 revenue was nearly 3 billion euros.
 

Qi_1528

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My apologies for not responding to replies to my previous post in this thread. I've read most of them. Life has kept me too busy to write an adequate response.

Article about china´s debt problem

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Whoa. More than 15% fiscal deficit to GDP. We are talking about very high numbers. AFAIK the EU doesnt allow any member country to put that number above 3%.

This cant end well for china. They arent making any effort to deleverage or control the rise of debt.

Articles like this confuse the issue. The real problem for China (and every economy with a sovereign currency) is private debt, not public debt.

Running an economy is not like running a business or household. If you can create your own money, and don't borrow from overseas (which the Chinese government doesn't), you never have to worry about defaulting on debt. The only thing you have to concern yourself with is inflation. Supply and demand is the issue, and demand can be prevented from outpacing supply through taxation. People often point to the example of Zimbabwe, but it didn't have hyper inflation directly because it printed so much money. It had hyper inflation because there weren't enough goods and services available to meet demand. China doesn't have this problem in many sections of its economy. It has problems with over supply in fact.

If China is indeed running a 15% of GDP government deficit, that is a good thing in the current circumstances. It would actually put me at ease quite a bit provided the deficit spending is being used widely. The only issue is for the central government to make sure provincial and local governments which can only raise money through taxation can meet their obligations, either by transferring the debt onto the major state banks (as has been done recently) or providing a cash injection for the purpose of meeting obligations and paying down debt.

Instead of using loaded terms like budget deficit, neutral terms like "net injection" should be used instead. If governments don't create money through deficits, private banks have to do it through loans, which can lead to individuals and corporate entities taking on more debt than they can service in hard times. That's the problem China faces now. Private debt, not public. I'm not confident the government is handling this problem as well as it needs to prevent further slow down, but it is at least aware of it.

I'd suggest not only reading from orthodox neoliberal economists, and looking at heterodox theories such as Modern Monetary Theory. The neoliberals tend to look at economic reality as they'd like it to be, rather than how it truly is. They are pretty good at micro, but terrible at macro. It's their fault most Western economies are in such a bad state.
 

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(Xinhua) 19:33, August 08, 2016

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BEIJING, Aug. 8 -- China's home appliance manufacturer Midea said Monday that it was taking a 95 percent holding in German robotics maker Kuka.

Midea will take 37,605,732 shares, 94.55 percent of Kuka after the bid is settled. Kuka shareholders who have not yet tendered their shares will be unable sell their stake to Midea now as the bid has expired, according to a statement from Midea.

Midea announced the bid on June 16, offering to pay 115 euros (127 U.S. dollars) per share. It held a 13.5 percent stake in Kuka before the bid.

To alleviate concerns over the takeover, Midea has pledged to maintain Kuka's independence, and has no plans to seek a domination agreement or delist the company. It will not change the headquarters nor reduce the workforce.

One of the world's top robot makers, Kuka, founded in 1898 and based in Augsburg, has a workforce of 12,000. Its 2015 revenue was nearly 3 billion euros.
I'm shocked Germany's willing to sell China leading-edge robotic technology, because if China gain world-class expertise in that field, they'll take market shares from countries like Germany, Japan, and the US (think computer chips and High Speed Rail). It's national interest-security protection to not hand over top-tier technology and know how.
 

Hendrik_2000

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I'm shocked Germany's willing to sell China leading-edge robotic technology, because if China gain world-class expertise in that field, they'll take market shares from countries like Germany, Japan, and the US (think computer chips and High Speed Rail). It's national interest-security protection to not hand over top-tier technology and know how.

Not necessary. If you have a wad of money, you can buy anything . Money talk.
ARM is the new Intel.Everything inside Android cell phone has ARM proprietary code
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SoftBank to Buy ARM Holdings for $32 Billion
Japanese group’s deal for U.K.-based chip designer comes together in just two weeks

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Japan’s SoftBank is paying over $32 billion for U.K.-based chip maker ARM. The WSJ’s Rick Carew looks at this latest in a string of big bets by the Japanese telecom giant. Photo: Getty

Updated July 18, 2016 10:07 p.m. ET
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The global semiconductor industry has a new Asian power player, forged in a flurry of talks that took place over just two weeks.
 
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