Chinese Economics Thread

SamuraiBlue

Captain
There are two important things in currency trading (not sure whether you have done it, but I have) ... technical analysis and emotion ...... both are equally important. Otherwise a computer software would win all the time. And Soros is an extremely big player, he could influence a lot and a lot of players ... no matter what ... perhaps you would need to spend more time googling :D

It is off topic, I am done with it ...

Again it's a matter of fundamentals in which if it's there no matter how much people shouts the crash is coming it just won't happen. That is economy 101.
 

Quickie

Colonel
Now how would the China's short sellers try to explain this fact: The number of billionaires in China had exploded in 2015 to overtake the U.S.



China now has more billionaires than the U.S.

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Top of the list? It’s not Jack Ma.

Even with concerns over its economy, China can now claim to have surpassed the U.S. in one wealth indicator: the number of billionaires within its borders.

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by The Hurun Report says China now has 596 billionaires, surpassing the U.S. tally for the first time (the U.S. has 537 billionaires, according to the report). If 119 billionaires from Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Macao are added, Greater China owns 715 billionaires in the “Hurun Global Rich List.”

Top of the list of Chinese billionaires is Wang Jianlin of the Wanda Group, a conglomerate with investments in cinema chains and hotels. His estimated fortune of $34.4 billion exceeded that of runner-up Jack Ma, chairman of Alibaba
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1.14% .


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The list reflects the growing power shift in the Chinese economy, with IT-related billionaires growing by 43% this year, including newcomer Chang Wei, CEO of ride-sharing start-up Didi Kuaidi. Other newcomers include Frank Wang of DJI — a
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of Fortune’s 40 Under 40 list this year — and Zhou Qunfei of touchscreen maker Lens, the highest-ranked woman in the list.

Overall, the report mentioned that the movement in wealth reflected a prosperous year for entertainment, automobiles, and pharmaceuticals, while challenges in the traditional retail and steel industry hit the pockets of related billionaires.

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antiterror13

Brigadier
Again it's a matter of fundamentals in which if it's there no matter how much people shouts the crash is coming it just won't happen. That is economy 101.

Like I said it is off topic ... but ok ... I will respond to this one ... just one off

FX trading is not economy 101 ... you will need to learn and possibly googling much more than economy 101, unfortunately ... sorry :D
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
LOL, betting against China.
Doesn't he know China a has $3.6 TRILLION in foreign currency reserve that can be used as currency defence? Does he have $3.6 trillion to bet against China? Does he have even $36 billions? (He doesn't. His networth is only $23 billion).

China gets more than $36 billion a year from US treasury bond (US debt - more than $1.2 trillion) they hold alone. China can play this currency game til the end of time if they so choose. I think China only bows to political pressure externally, not because they can't play this game indefinitely.

Just to add ... Soros won't be able to use all of his wealth of $23B, and he won't as he is a very smart guy, max he will use 10% of his wealth. He won't put too many eggs in a basket ... thats the rule 1 in FX trading/speculation
 

Yvrch

Junior Member
Registered Member
Soros would make noise but I doubt he'd actually short RMB. He is not a retail guy so he would know how quickly he'd get shifted in the narrow band to make the amount of money he'd hope to make, not to mention pboc power over offshore to factor in. Even ice don't have that breadth and depth for RMB to make market. He'd be better off chasing majors than a small cross with a big heft like RMB.
 

Brumby

Major
Just to add ... Soros won't be able to use all of his wealth of $23B, and he won't as he is a very smart guy, max he will use 10% of his wealth. He won't put too many eggs in a basket ... thats the rule 1 in FX trading/speculation

I believe Soros position in the pound case was around $10 Billion and if I were to guess it would be similar with the yuan. These people are big time speculators and they do take big positions and sometimes in packs acting collaboratively. Soros need not trade with his own money as he would trade off his hedge fund and taking 20 % from profits with no risk except to his reputation.

Admittedly it is much higher risk trading against the yuan because the Chinese government do have control over policies and a big war chest that can manipulate short term direction. However if Soros is indeed taking a position against the yuan, he would have a strong view that the best days on the Chinese economy is over.
 
News is three weeks old but worth mentioning since the thread was closed.

China accuses George Soros of 'declaring war' on yuan

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"They say a lot of loud slogans, but do official media even know that Chinese investors are in hell?” said one poster on social media network Weibo.

“I’m afraid that Chinese investors will die in a stampede before Soros even shows his hand.”
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This poster's comment is right on, in that part of the problem lies with undisciplined Chinese investors treating the stock market as a gambling parlor and overreacts even to rumors.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
The Chinese new year is concluded today and China has moved 332 million train journey with not a single accident!. Even at 125000 mile track China is just half of US Track.
It is tremendous achievement after 100 years of tortuous and convulsed history started with the Russian and end up in the night mare of Japanese invasion.
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They finally establish a reliable train system that move people efficiently and comfortably
Like Plawolf said no news is good news but doesn't show up in western press. Remember the schade freude that they show up in their press when at the start of High speed railway they have one single accident .
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Now the system prove itself to be reliable and cheap I heard they are going to change the ticket prize to reflect true cost
 
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Janiz

Senior Member
Like Plawolf said no news is good news but doesn't show up in western press. Remember the schade freude that they show up in their press when at the start of High speed railway they have one single accident
Probably because no one cares about that in the West and it's normal for people in the 'bad west' that trains aren't derailing from time to time...

But that's probably because of 'nightmare of Japanese occupation' that you mentioned. Yes... Jews, Japanese and Americans are doing whatever they can to make 'western press' not mentioning anything about Chinese trains which aren't anything special...
 
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