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Just looked, but this news doesn't seem to have been posted here:
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This is actually quite significant, and can result in inflationary pressure on western economies.

Chinese commentary on it (it's a new turning point, where these export tax rebates once was to help export companies, but now, no longer really needed. And it will cause inflationary pressure on western countries):
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yes, there is no need to make aluminum and copper cheaper for other countries. It just decreases your own industry's competitiveness in the downstream products.
 

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This is insane news !!

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Located within King Salman International Airport, the Saudi Arabia-China Special Economic Zone will feature three key areas: a logistics and light industrial park to bolster local supply chains, an international trade hub for streamlined business services, and a residential zone with quality facilities for employees and families.

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This chart is truly remarkable. For the first time, Chinese exports to Central and Eastern Europe have surpassed those of Germany..

this highlights China's impressive strides in advanced manufacturing.

Germany is rapidly losing its market share not only in Mainland China but also in other markets..

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wow, if China can make the rail corridor more efficient, then this parabola would extend even further.
 

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This is insane news !!

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Located within King Salman International Airport, the Saudi Arabia-China Special Economic Zone will feature three key areas: a logistics and light industrial park to bolster local supply chains, an international trade hub for streamlined business services, and a residential zone with quality facilities for employees and families.

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Issuing dollar bonds in Saudi Arabia is starting to make more sense
 

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As a review of my 2023 predictions:

I initially projected 5.5% GDP growth - in reality this came in at 5.2% with 2 caveats: 1) The country reduced actual 2022 GDP by about 548bln rmb, providing an easier comparable for 2023 growth data; 2) The Central Government increased budget deficit by 1 trln of special purpose bonds used for disaster relief.

The critical takeaway here is that growth in 2023 was below expectations of 1) everyone on this forum (go read your own posts from Jan 2023); 2) most economists for major banks; 3) and most importantly, the central government itself. The last part of this is the most important as otherwise they would not have added the 1trln of stimulus in the middle of the year.

Going forward for 2024 I will say 5% but with a lot less certainty - this of course is going to be very much dependent on how much more stimulus is being done - the outlook for 2024 is going to be a lot less certain than it is for 2023 given this specific issue.

How much additional central government bonds will they issue? What about PSL capacity by the PBoC? Where are they on solving LGFV issues? What about urban village renovation? When will the 3rd plenum happen? What comprehensive reforms will they announce as part of that?

Nobody actually knows the answers to these questions and so I'm personally taking a observe and pivot mindset.

My final point here to everyone on the forum with an interest in Chinese economics - just because you don't like the data doesn't mean the data isn't real. Otherwise you are no better than Western media for calling Chinese data fake.

As a review of 2024 expectations from Jan as we head into December - here is how my estimates looked. Most importantly, I was very much on the point with respect to the key questions I asked. As well, some of these questions remain very relevant as we head into 2025.

GDP Growth in 2024
As the first 3Q came out to 4.8% and for all intents and purposes Q4 is looking to be running ahead of Q3 (which was 4.6%), I think it is with very high likelihood that GDP growth for 2024 will be anywhere between 4.8% to 5.0% - call it 4.9% for simplicity sake. Which is firmly within the 'around 5%' target set in March. However, we were likely looking at 4.6% growth in 2024 had the pivot in 9.24/9.26 not happened. Which, as I initially said - 2024 GDP growth was going to be highly dependent on stimulus efforts.

How much additional central government bonds will they issue?
They issued 1 trillion of long term special purpose central government bonds - I expect this to continue into 2025 with a minimum of 1trln (possibly 2trln). This is something to watch closely going into 2025.

Where are they on solving LGFV issues?

With the NPC Meeting announcement in November - we have a very good start at solving the local government debt issues - with a 6+4+2 trillion RMB plan over the next 3-5 years at removing some 12 trillion (of the ~60 trillion) of so called 'platform debt'. This should significantly improve liquidity at local government levels.

What about urban village renovation?
The MoHURD announced an initial round of 1 million units (initially targeted at 35 top cities but expanded to 300 cities). This initial 1 million units would've been sufficient in addressing the inventory issues in the top 35 cities but would not be nearly enough for 300 cities. This is something to watch closely going into 2025.

When will the 3rd plenum happen? What comprehensive reforms will they announce as part of that?

July 2024.

Comprehensive reforms have been already discussed in this thread (I've weighed in on that already - search it up). In conjunction with the policy pivot on 9.24/9.26, I think it is extremely important for anyone interested in the Chinese economy to understand that the consumption & capital markets are going to be extremely important *going forward* (emphasis here being that it *has not been* as important historically). It is functionally retarded to linearly extrapolate anything and imagine things as always the same as before (imagine linearly extrapolating PLA development from 1995-2005 and assuming the next 10 years were of the same pace/trajectory).

Latest on Shenzhen wanting 15 trillion RMB of market cap by 2027 (vs. 9 trillion today):

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A bit of a victory lap here, but I've been very much correct on the economy in the past 2 years - so do understand that when you do not like what I have to say, it is likely you who needs to adjust/update your priors.
 
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