Chinese Economics Thread

Tyler

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I never said there isnt. I myself made the question. Im not a financial expert.


I think so. I remember posting something like that in this forum, months ago.


Im not sure that will apply to all investors. Some (or many) may not have the desire to invest in a chinese stock exchange. There was a reason for these companies to list in the US stock exchanges.
Listing in the US is now very dangerous for all foreign companies. Sooner or later the US will make excuses for stealing user data and customers lists from all foreign companies listed in the US.
 

weig2000

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I used to be an auditor so I’ll chime in here. The US always had access to financial records. However, the US wants the audit workpapers. Audit workpapers include company source documents which is what China absolutely needs to protect. So for example, when auditing accounts receivables, auditors typically request customer lists. To audit accounts payable auditors request vendor and supplier lists.
So now imagine the US gets its hands on Alibaba or Tencents vendor lists it will know the identity of every tech supplier in China. Given how the US wants to sanction them, China would be handing the US a hitlist. So I’d rather see not a single Chinese company listed abroad than hand over any audit workpapers.

I suppose this is similar to what the US government is demanding all the major semiconductor companies in the world to turn over their data on sales, inventory and customers. The goal is potential targeted sanction of selected suppliers and visibility and control of the semiconductor supply chain, all in the name of dealing with chip shortage. How nice!
 

B.I.B.

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I used to be an auditor so I’ll chime in here. The US always had access to financial records. However, the US wants the audit workpapers. Audit workpapers include company source documents which is what China absolutely needs to protect. So for example, when auditing accounts receivables, auditors typically request customer lists. To audit accounts payable auditors request vendor and supplier lists.
So now imagine the US gets its hands on Alibaba or Tencents vendor lists it will know the identity of every tech supplier in China. Given how the US wants to sanction them, China would be handing the US a hitlist. So I’d rather see not a single Chinese company listed abroad than hand over any audit workpapers.
I thought they made that request to TSMC and Samsung recently and yet Samsung is not listed on the NYSE.
 

Topazchen

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I think this is a non starter

"As a first step in the new rule, the agency will identify companies that may not be in compliance with the audit inspection requirements. Once a company is classified by the SEC as a “commission-identified issuer,” it’ll have to submit documentation proving it’s not owned or controlled by a government.

Firms will also have to specify in their annual reports additional information about the operating company and any shell companies used to trade, including:

The percentage of shares that are owned by a government entity
Whether government entities have a controlling financial interest
The name of each member of the Chinese Communist Party who sits on the board
The SEC rule lays out the process for imposing an initial trading ban on firms after three years of non-compliance, as required by the 2020 law"
Is there any qualification in the first place?

From what i can understand, china refusing to allow the US to audit chinese companies listed in the US stock exchanges has been going on for 20 years now:

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20 law.
 

W20

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Thank you all for this thread

The truth is that I do not know what to think, on the one hand the crash is being appalling, on the other hand the price difference between Shanghai, Shenzhen and New York in some cases is 10 x, in some cases companies of 2 billion Market Capitalization in New York are worth 20 billion in Shanghai, so some have left New York to Shanghai because why be in a place that does not want you. But I do not have access to Shanghai

the case of Daqo New Energy is funny: the little piece that is listed in Shanghai is worth much more than the bulk of the company that is listed in New York

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