Chinese Economics Thread

B.I.B.

Captain
Nah, in the end I bought Geely stock first then NIO sometime later, as Chinese auto stocks seemed like a safer bet and good potential for market share growth, although NIO ended up outperforming Geely which was a bit of a unexpected but pleasant surprise. Regarding oil stocks, Petro China would be a safe purchase for dividend generation, but I'd also recommend looking for energy companies with a good diversity of energy tech developments (such as fuel cells) and production of value-added goods such as lubricants, as these will be in consistent demand, shows foresightedness in dealing with technological and environmental change and is a good indicator of long term value. If I had more cash right now I'd get some BYD stocks as I missed the initial jump so now is a good point to get in relatively speaking.
 

MrCrazyBoyRavi

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Just read a news that EU won’t pay Montenegro’s debt to china for infrastructre construction. Why would China waste so much money on these bankrupt nations who are ungrateful and instead blame china itself by calling it debt trap diplomacy. She should instead invest these money on itself on science/technology or may be give it for free for constructing infrastructure for neighbouring nations or may be poor african nations.
 

quantumlight

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Just read a news that EU won’t pay Montenegro’s debt to china for infrastructre construction. Why would China waste so much money on these bankrupt nations who are ungrateful and instead blame china itself by calling it debt trap diplomacy. She should instead invest these money on itself on science/technology or may be give it for free for constructing infrastructure for neighbouring nations or may be poor african nations.
Or build more underground nuke shelters and tunnels...
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Your reasoning is dismal.
Go back count up your likes in this conversation (all the way into the COVID thread) that I got then the number you got. Two people each saying each other's reasoning is dismal is pointless; a drunk homeless nutjob can hold his own against an astrophysicist like that. Ask the crowd.
There is a huge difference between saying that something isn't necessary and saying that it should be eliminated entirely. Equating the two demonstrates very poor thinking. For example, when I say that fruit juice isn't necessary to anyone who eats a balanced diet, I am certainly not calling for the juices to be eliminated!
I already said that billionaires aren't necessary for the existence of an economy or its innovation but they are if you are competing with a rival country (especially a superpower) in cutting edge tech. He's using both his hands; the government and the billionaire megacorps. You can't beat him with one hand tied behind your back. It's not whether or not you can move forward but if you move forward slower than him, you lose. Failing to internalize this and the meaning of "necessary" in context shows very poor reading comprehension.

Reread:
When I say that billionaires are not necessary, I mean exactly that. I don't want them eliminated entirely; I just want to keep them on a leash, so they can't corrupt the country.
But you don't know what "leash" means so you might as well put an imaginary word to form an imaginary sentence like Trump.

Here you go, you can reread that:

"Curbed, tacked, leashed, whatever word you want to use, it means nothing if you cannot define it in your context."
More time-wasting yapping. I don't need to outline the openness campaign to the last detail, just as I don't need to know the physics in detail to realize that China needs a local source of EUV tools.
Asking you what you mean is wasting time at this point because not only do you not know, you're getting bold about not knowing, like you're not supposed to know exactly what you're talking about; you can just give some general direction that anybody can interpret in any way LOL "Covfefe! I don't know every detail of what it means; you guys figure it out! I'm right and it stands!" LOLOL
I will debunk your sad attempt at debunking. You say "No small business will ever invent lithography or jet engines or rocket launches. These require the deep pockets of a megacorp to tackle."

I say "nonsense"! I will debunk each in turn.
It's gonna be funny to see you make a fool out of yourself again trying LOL
Lithography. Fairchild Semiconductor was a tiny company (with something like 8 engineers) when Robert Noyce invented the monolithic integrated circuit.
Fairchild Semiconductor had a net worth of $1.58 billion as of 2015. In 2016, they were purchased for $2.4 billion by ON Semiconductor. Pretty big numbers for a tiny company... Apple pretty much started the same way, and both companies became billion dollar companies because they were successful. I never said that a few people with vision can't create a billion-dollar company from scratch; I admire and support that. That is happening more in China than in any other country and that makes me proud. In the global tech race, you either become a billion dollar company to compete or a billion dollar company will eat you up... or both.
Jet engines. The Englishman John Barber patented his gas turbine in 1791. He almost certainly wasn't working for a "megacorp", as very few such organizations existed back then.
I'm not even going to bother fact-checking this 1791 crap. Tech was much simpler and there was far less competition. This is over 200 years later; we are talking about modern tech. What are you gonna do next, tell me that the best sword-makers in the Xia Dynasty were just blacksmiths instead of megacorps? LOL
Rockets. If you don't know they were invented in China (and definitely not inside a large corporation), you are showing your ignorance.
Oh crap; you actually went back to the 10th century to try to find cases where a non-megacorp created cutting edge technology of the time, which you know, is simple enough for a child's high school project today. And also, you know, billionaires and corporations didn't exist so they can't swallow the small guy like they do today.
So all three of your claims are garbage.
You mean the exact 3 that you just laid out? LOL Yes they are. They were funny and so was your pathetic attempt to go back over 1,000 years to try to discredit the role of megacorporations in today's modern technology.

And guess what? Even if you somehow managed to find a modern example, it doesn't matter because it would be an outlier against a trend, and the trend is undeniably that megacorps rule modern cutting edge tech and small businesses can't compete.
My statement stands: billionaires are not necessary.
Stands in quicksand. Not necessary for general economics of a small town and for 1,000 year old science. But to compete in modern tech against an adversary nation that employs them and the government, very necessary. Guess which situation China is in today.
The CPC is more powerful than the billionaires. At the moment. What happens when the billionaires (and possibly some trillionaires) become too strong? It is of the utmost importance that they be curbed before they damage China as much as their American counterparts are damaging the US.
Here you go, you can reread that:

"You don't know what it actually takes for billionaires to "get too powerful," and above the control of the CCP and you don't know what it means to "curb" them. You don't know the exact problem you want to solve and of course you don't have a solution either. Essentially, you spent 2 days dodging questions you cannot answer and posted dozens of rants that all mean nothing."
 
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B.I.B.

Captain
Nah, in the end I bought Geely stock first then NIO sometime later, as Chinese auto stocks seemed like a safer bet and good potential for market share growth, although NIO ended up outperforming Geely which was a bit of a unexpected but pleasant surprise. Regarding oil stocks, Petro China would be a safe purchase for dividend generation, but I'd also recommend looking for energy companies with a good diversity of energy tech developments (such as fuel cells) and production of value-added goods such as lubricants, as these will be in consistent demand, shows foresightedness in dealing with technological and environmental change and is a good indicator of long term value. If I had more cash right now I'd get some BYD stocks as I missed the initial jump so now is a good point to get in relatively speaking.
I had a moderate windfall when I sold my shares in "Westland Milk Products" to Yilli. which was a Chinese dairy conglomerate a couple of years ago. I used the money with a NZ online share broker Hatch to purchase NIO, Amazon, and Atlassian shares in the later half of last year.
Being a little concerned that NIO might be forced to leave the U.S. market and with the news they may list on the HK exchange, I used"Tiger "brokers to have a look around the HK exchange with the intent on purchasing my NIO shares in HK. I don't know if it's because on how the HK exchange is run, "Tiger " have a minimum amount of shares one has to buy which is dependant on the current market value of the targeted shares. That kinda irritates me because I don't think it applies to the NYSE.

By the way the "Polestar" which Geely has a connection with looks like a pretty nice car.
 

voyager1

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Just read a news that EU won’t pay Montenegro’s debt to china for infrastructre construction. Why would China waste so much money on these bankrupt nations who are ungrateful and instead blame china itself by calling it debt trap diplomacy. She should instead invest these money on itself on science/technology or may be give it for free for constructing infrastructure for neighbouring nations or may be poor african nations.
That story is strange.
China should avoid these dishonest countries which in one hand take Chinese loans and with the other it is slapping it by loudly slandering China that its loans are a "debt-trap"
 

voyager1

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China is abolishing restrictions on migrants applying for permanent residency status in cities with fewer than 3 million people, part of efforts to facilitate population mobility
said China would “completely remove barriers” for migrant workers applying for permanent residential status, or “hukou” (户口) in such cities.
Hukou is removed from cities with fewer than 3mln people
 

weig2000

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The US starts to get a bit nervous about China's digital currency.
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Meanwhile, Kenneth Rogoff considers the threat that the modernization of China’s exchange-rate arrangements could deal the dollar’s status a painful blow.
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ansy1968

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@weig2000 hahahaha, the US oligarch is getting scared, If you read the news billionaire Peter Thiel want the US gov't to take control of bitcoin against the Chinese....LOL even though he owned a lot of it. It's all about scarcity and control that is the business model of the US business elites.
 
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