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AndrewS

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During the 1997 Asian financial crisis, it's a fire sale for gov't assets especially public utilities. The same MANTRA that IMF and the WORLD BANK champion, private equities are more efficient, cheaper with good service while under the state control it is more corrupt. The Philippine had no choice put to comply cause we need the money. 24 years later, the same problem exist with more bad service with multiple prices increase. For a developing nation we had the highest rate (both water and electricity owned by the same corp), 2nd behind Japan, it affected our competitive advantages and our quality of life. Now China comes along and show us how it should be done. What do you think most developing nation FEEL. Deceived? The developing countries had studied China and are following its model out of necessity and practically not of ideology, China INC is an alternative model and some in the west have started to appreciate its effectiveness, but it frighten them and they fear retribution because what they sell/advise to people is a lie to benefit themselves.

It's the debate against natural monopolies like water and electricity companies.
It makes no sense for 2 companies to run water pipes or electricity lines to every house.

Unless you have a effective regulator, a private monopoly will take advantage.
And there are so many instances of regulators in Europe and the USA, who are too cosy with privatised companies.

So a developing country is almost unable to regulate a privatise monopoly.
Better to just go with a government monopoly instead
 

ansy1968

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It's the debate against natural monopolies like water and electricity companies.
It makes no sense for 2 companies to run water pipes or electricity lines to every house.
Only in the Philippines, An example the MVP group of company (majority owned by SALIM of INDONESIA ) owned MERALCO the power distribution company, NLEX the road network, Maynilad the water utility distributor , TV5 a TV and entertainment station and PLDT the telecom company. A foreigner owning our strategic public utilities which is against our constitution but allowed by the previous President cause we follow the IMF and WORLD BANK advise and recommendation. :mad:
Unless you have a effective regulator, a private monopoly will take advantage.
And there are so many instances of regulators in Europe and the USA, who are too cosy with privatised companies.
It's called a REGULATORY CAPTURED, usually involved employing former head of a regulatory agency to lead your company therefore influencing and lobbying gov't policy favorable to you like environmental regulate and price increases.
So a developing country is almost unable to regulate a privatise monopoly.
Better to just go with a government monopoly instead
That's right and the crazy thing is most of this Private company don't have the capital to buy those public assets, they borrow from gov't bank to invest and if they bankrupt it they don't lost anything since the collateral is not theirs anyway.:mad:
 
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Yuan trading block is forming according to this German expert. I am really surprised at the high foreign ownership of TBill I though most of them are owned by domestic holder. When western MSM talk about China debt they lumped up government + private debt when actually government debt in China is manageable

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Will China overthrow US dollar hegemony in East Asia?​

Dependence on the dollar has long been a thorn in Beijing's side
Gunther Schnabl
January 28, 2021 17:00 JST

Yuan and dollar banknotes: the cards may now be set for a reshuffle. © Reuters
Professor Gunther Schnabl is head of the Institute of Economic Policy at the University of Leipzig.

As the U.S. wavers under the weight of dire economic, social and health crises, historic measures introduced to stabilize the country have increased general government debt to 130% of gross domestic product. Most of the newly issued government bonds were purchased by the Federal Reserve, which has significantly inflated its balance sheet.

Meanwhile, China's economy is working again, and general government debt has increased to only about 60% of GDP. The balance sheet of the People's Bank of China has not grown much either, while Beijing has demonstrated its economic leadership in East Asia by joining the 15-nation Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, the biggest trade deal in history.

Has a window of opportunity opened to allow China to finally break dollar hegemony in East Asia?
There are -- among other things -- historical reasons why the dollar is the international financial system's leading currency. The dollar was the foundation for the Bretton Woods system established after World War II, serving as an anchor and reserve currency for all central banks participating in the system.
When the U.S. financed the Vietnam War by printing money, the dollar came under severe deprecation pressure, forcing other central banks to buy large amounts of dollars to stabilize their exchange rates. With other countries in effect cofinancing U.S. government spending, this led then French Finance Minister Valery Giscard d'Estaing to lament the "exorbitant privilege" benefiting the U.S. economy.

French Finance Minister Valery Giscard d'Estaing at a press conference, circa 1970. © Getty Images
When -- concerned about imported inflation -- the German Bundesbank allowed the Deutsche Mark to appreciate in the 1970s, other countries followed suit and the system collapsed. Europe became decoupled from the dollar, whereas Asian countries -- with the exception of Japan -- kept stabilizing their exchange rates against the U.S. currency.
When China opened up to international transactions in 1994, it introduced a tight dollar peg. An informal dollar standard in East Asia emerged, with many countries stabilizing their exchange rates against the dollar. This created a high degree of exchange rate stability within the region, intensifying the division of labor and trade.

China plays a pivotal economic role in East Asia because, unlike Japan, China has been growing strongly since the 1990s. Within the East Asian production network, Southeast Asian companies are often suppliers for the Chinese companies that export to the U.S. and Europe.
The yuan's close dollar peg helped to stabilize the region when many of the region's currencies plummeted during the 1998 Asian and 2008 global financial crises. In the current crisis, the yuan is standing like a rock in the surf. China's currency has, however, not yet become the regional anchor and reserve currency, because China's capital markets are strictly regulated and sealed off by capital controls.
However, the cards may now be set for a reshuffle. With President Joe Biden aiming to finance the reanimation of the U.S. economy and ambitious climate goals with the help of the Fed, this is likely to bring the dollar under further depreciation pressure.

The financial effects of running persistently loose monetary policy can be expected to gradually weaken U.S. financial markets. Herein lies the opportunity for China to promote the international role of the yuan, as the German Bundesbank it could with its own currency demonstrated in the 1970s.

Back then, in a period of global monetary easing, the German central bank held its monetary policy tighter than the Fed, so that the mark persistently appreciated. This transformed the mark into an attractive international store of value. By the late 1970s, the U.S. government had to issue Carter bonds in marks and Swiss francs, symbolizing the endangered global currency status of the dollar.
When the United States returned to a tighter monetary policy under Fed Chairman Paul Volcker in the early 1980s, Europe was already decoupled from the dollar, with the mark becoming Europe's anchor and reserve currency.

For China's leaders, dependence on the dollar has long been a thorn in its side. Beijing was reluctant to cofinance U.S. rescue packages for Wall Street as the People's Bank of China strongly increased its foreign reserve holdings between 2000 and 2014.
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But China has since taken two important steps. Since late May 2020, the yuan has been allowed to appreciate against the dollar by close to 10%. In addition, China's holdings of U.S. Treasuries have gradually declined from $1.3 trillion at the end of 2011 to about $1 trillion by the end of 2020. This comes along with a significant decline in the share of foreign and international investor holdings in U.S. Treasuries, from 43% in 2013 to less than 30% today.

Instead, the Fed is holding a growing share of its own outstanding Treasuries. This could herald an erosion of trust in the international role of the dollar. If the yuan continues to appreciate, the temptation for other East Asian countries will be to keep their currencies pegged to the yuan in order to maintain intraregional exchange rate stability.
Furthermore, Southeast Asia's economies may be tempted to exchange their dollars for yuan to capture revaluation gains against the dollar. An informal yuan block would emerge, with the yuan becoming an anchor and reserve currency for the smaller Southeast Asian currencies. Japan may be tempted to join as well.


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What you guys think of this from CNBC regarding Huawei's fortune?

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From No. 1 to No. 6, Huawei smartphone shipments plunge 41% as U.S. sanctions bite

PUBLISHED THU, JAN 28 2021 2:46 AM EST

UPDATED THU, JAN 28 2021 3:36 AM EST

Arjun Kharpal

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Huawei shipped 33 million smartphones globally in the fourth quarter of 2020, a 41% year-on-year decline, making it the sixth-largest vendor in the world.The latest figures mark a sharp fall for Huawei versus the second quarter of 2020 when it was No. 1 in the world by shipments.U.S. sanctions have cut Huawei off from key software like Google Android and critical components like chips which have hurt its sales.Huawei's woes come as Apple shipped a record number of iPhones in the fourth quarter.

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What you guys think of this from CNBC regarding Huawei's fortune?

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From No. 1 to No. 6, Huawei smartphone shipments plunge 41% as U.S. sanctions bite

PUBLISHED THU, JAN 28 2021 2:46 AM EST

UPDATED THU, JAN 28 2021 3:36 AM EST

Arjun Kharpal

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Huawei shipped 33 million smartphones globally in the fourth quarter of 2020, a 41% year-on-year decline, making it the sixth-largest vendor in the world.The latest figures mark a sharp fall for Huawei versus the second quarter of 2020 when it was No. 1 in the world by shipments.U.S. sanctions have cut Huawei off from key software like Google Android and critical components like chips which have hurt its sales.Huawei's woes come as Apple shipped a record number of iPhones in the fourth quarter.

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That's just trying to fool the masses.

Look at how quick Huawei came out from P9, P10 and leaped into P20, which really set the some benchmarks when it was released in 2018.

What US should be really focused on is how Huawei's 5G business is doing. How many bases station and total global contracts has grown since the 2019.

"Huawei’s woes come as Apple shipped a record number of iPhones in the fourth quarter."

Yea, but how are new iPhone selling in China? As long as the patriotic middle class consumers are willing to support Huawei, they are only 24 months from returning to the cell phone market. And when they come back, it will be with Harmony OS, with an app store that dramatically reduced fee structure than Apple or Google app store.

Perhaps, another thing CNBC should track is the number of Apps on Huawei Gallery has grown.

These article are always scratching the surface and fail to see the tsunami surging behind the facade of momentary calm.

Forget the schadenfreude, what's really happening more resembles the scene in Commando when Arnie is loading up on ammo after landing on the island.

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What you guys think of this from CNBC regarding Huawei's fortune?

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From No. 1 to No. 6, Huawei smartphone shipments plunge 41% as U.S. sanctions bite

PUBLISHED THU, JAN 28 2021 2:46 AM EST

UPDATED THU, JAN 28 2021 3:36 AM EST

Arjun Kharpal

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Huawei shipped 33 million smartphones globally in the fourth quarter of 2020, a 41% year-on-year decline, making it the sixth-largest vendor in the world.The latest figures mark a sharp fall for Huawei versus the second quarter of 2020 when it was No. 1 in the world by shipments.U.S. sanctions have cut Huawei off from key software like Google Android and critical components like chips which have hurt its sales.Huawei's woes come as Apple shipped a record number of iPhones in the fourth quarter.

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In the future you should expect Huawei smartphone shipments to drop again when the Honor phone brand becomes counted as separate from Huawei.

Xiaomi + Oppo + Vivo saw a 18.7 million combined Q4 year-on-year increase of smartphone shipments. Huawei + Honor dropped by about 20-22 million units. So most of the Huawei + Honor drop has been absorbed by other Chinese companies. (Using Canalys report) I think Huawei is focusing more on software for smartphones rather than hardware.

Regarding Apple, the company ALWAYS has its record shipments in Q4. Its Q4 shipments spike to 70.0 to 80.0+ million units every year before dropping to 35.0 to 45.0 million units for the remaining quarters. Most other smartphone manufacturers have a significantly less pronounced spike. (Using Canalys report)

Copying the table from the Canalys data source:
VendorQ4 2020 shipments (million)Q4 2020 Market shareQ4 2019 shipments (million)Q4 2019 Market shareAnnual growth
Apple81.823%78.421%+4%
Samsung62.017%70.819%-12%
Xiaomi43.412%33.09%+31%
Oppo34.710%30.38%+15%
Vivo32.19%28.28%+14%
Others105.529%128.035% -18%
Total359.6100.0%368.6100.0%-2%

However, the data differs depending on the firm conducting the research. Here is the IDC report for comparison:
VendorQ4 2020 shipments (million)Q4 2020 Market shareQ4 2019 shipments (million)Q4 2019 Market shareAnnual growth
Apple90.123.4%73.819.9%22.2%
Samsung73.919.1%69.518.8%6.2%
Xiaomi43.311.2%32.88.9%32.0%
Oppo33.88.8%30.68.3%10.7%
Huawei32.38.4%56.215.2%-42.4%
Others112.429.1%107.128.9%5.0%
Total385.9100%369.9100%4.3%

The real problem with the article is that it is mixing and matching different data sources without providing a justification or explanation. For example, in the Canalys report total Q4 shipments dropped from 368.6 to 359.6 million, but in the IDC report total Q4 shipments increased from 369.9 to 385.9 million. We're looking at totally different trends between two different reports! A good analysis article would also try to explain why the differences between the data sources it uses occurs.
 

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Huawei shipped 33 million smartphones globally in the fourth quarter of 2020, a 41% year-on-year decline, making it the sixth-largest vendor in the world.The latest figures mark a sharp fall for Huawei versus the second quarter of 2020 when it was No. 1 in the world by shipments.U.S. sanctions have cut Huawei off from key software like Google Android and critical components like chips which have hurt its sales.Huawei's woes come as Apple shipped a record number of iPhones in the fourth quarter.
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Is that with or without Honor? I doubt they are doing an apples to apples comparison.
 

manqiangrexue

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Including Honor according to Canalys. The Trump administration has been very successful in suppressing and maiming Huawei.
It's just the cellphone department for the near term. It's the least important and most vulnerable arm because before this, Huawei basically just made easy money while putting foreign components together like Apple. To suppress this arm for a few years, the price America pays is Chinese semiconductor independence in the midterm and likely dominance in the long term. Meanwhile, Huawei's 5G arm, the flagship technology of the company that America truly fears, is not even within its reach to attack.
 
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