Chinese Economics Thread

OppositeDay

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People in Sichuan and Chongqing should be encouraged to move to coastal areas. Sichuan Basin makes air pollution stick a lot longer. It’s a great place for agriculture, but not industry.
 
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Here to dump some more graphs with more data:
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As in previous post, graph data was obtained from the IMF's
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. Data compiled for Nominal GDP based on variable USD exchange rates, from four different forecasts: the October 2017 WEO Forecast, October 2018 WEO Forecast, October 2019 WEO Forecast, and the October 2020 WEO Forecast. Graphs generated by Excel.

This graph is modified with the inclusion of an extrapolation of the IMF 2020 October Forecast beyond 2025, based on growth trends between 2024-25 years respectively for China and the United States. Upper bound Nominal GDP for China calculated from extrapolated GDP figures in RMB terms, converted to nominal exchange rate terms based on $1 USD= ¥6 RMB; likewise, lower-bound Nominal GDP was calculated based on the nominal exchange rate of $1 USD= ¥7 RMB.

One interesting thing of notice is that the IMF almost always consistently underestimates China's future economic growth, as seen in these graphs.

Based on IMF Forecast, the earliest possible date China can overtake the US in Nominal GDP is 2025-26, the latest date for overtaking is 2030-31
 

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Still, would be cool for at least 1 city to have that NYC feel. Shanghai would probably be the closest. Turn Pudong/waitan into a dense NYC style area (heck, it already has western looking buildings), while the suburbs can be transformed to look more like Tokyo instead of lame cookie cutter buildings
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Basically New York, but better, no?
BTW, if you didn't know, this is Qinhai CBD in Shenzhen.
 

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Basically New York, but better, no?
BTW, if you didn't know, this is Qinhai CBD in Shenzhen.
That's what I mean, China's cities love to build wide open avenues and roads between buildings, with almost no surface level shops. It's technically better city planning but it can't get the feel of NYC

NYC's buildings are almost right next to each other, with crowded pedestrian paths and lively surface-level shops, mobile food stalls, street life
 

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Don't you just love this guy. There's plenty of other countries willing to fill China's glass with their quality fine wine.

Let's see: from the new world alone, there's Chile, South Africa, New Zealand, Argentina....... oh and least I forget. There's always that lovely stuff called Blossom Hill from sunny California. US wine, how ironic.

 

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China's middle class incomes: average vs. median

"NSB data revealed that in the first three-quarters of this year the median income for the nation’s entire working class stood at 20,512 yuan ($3,117), or 2,279 yuan ($346) per month, 15% lower than the per capita average figure announced earlier by the bureau."

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A couple of points:
1. This is still quite modest overall. Even after applying the GDP deflator (PPP), this comes out to about $6,800 per year. In contrast, the median wages of the US worker is $49,800 per year (
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). China's median income is about 13.7% of the US.

2. Comparison of GDP per capita is much closer. China: $16,785, U.S. $65,281, according to the
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. China's per capita GDP (PPP) is 25.7% of the US's.

3. For the average to be higher than the median suggests that the income distribution is skewed towards the rich, as a small number of very wealthy households will skew the average higher, but will not change the median.

This means that in comparison to the US, the average Chinese is not capturing as much of the country's GDP in income. This has implications for a dual circulation strategy or any that relies on the domestic market. A greater share of economic output must find its way into the hands of the average worker.
Any GDP comparisons between China and US will always show that China is still a developing country and as such China should continue to benefit from its status as an undeveloped economy in world trade. The developed world should give China broader leverage in their trade with China, not undermine it. Just like They give Indian companies better preferences. Any negative outcome from China should be of concern and solutions should be offered by the advanced economies as this have consequences to world economy.
But in real life, Australia is now openly saying they will be taking China to court in the WTO over barley tariff ,saying China must be discouraged to imposed any tariff on other Australian products. However some are saying this is not the best solution and may make matters worse as it does not solve the main issue, the very broken China Australia relationship. Actually there is only toxic relationship at the moment as phone calls remain unanswered between ministers.
Australia make it very clear that Australia has done nothing wrong, protecting its interests and principles. Morrison said Australians are acting/behaving as Australians, nothing to apologize.
 
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