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While not directly related, this article basically highlights the Trumpsters' position in the election. In a basic premise of poisoning the well, the extreme right had literally killed off one of the most important pillars of US democracy : That of the transfer of power. In the end, it remains to be seen how many GOP voters actually buys what this article is selling, but the damage is already done: That it is implied that Trump must win in order to show that the election is "fair", which destroys the very notion of free and fair elections to begin with.

I think Trump is a blessing in disguise for China and Russia ..... no one else in the US has done better to ruin the US political and in international community
 

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I think Trump is a blessing in disguise for China and Russia ..... no one else in the US has done better to ruin the US political and in international community

Nah, he's just a (insert adjective ___________) idiot fumbling the football for China and Russia to pick up and return for a touch down.;):D
 
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While not directly related, this article basically highlights the Trumpsters' position in the election. In a basic premise of poisoning the well, the extreme right had literally killed off one of the most important pillars of US democracy : That of the transfer of power. In the end, it remains to be seen how many GOP voters actually buys what this article is selling, but the damage is already done: That it is implied that Trump must win in order to show that the election is "fair", which destroys the very notion of free and fair elections to begin with.
please don't post your babbling about US-internal politics here
 

styx

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i think that China should ban every export to the us, disrupting their economy. Sell the bonds and start to prepare for a major war, plain and simple. It's not some kind of nationalistic war mongering, i think that the stage (major climate crisis, world economic depression, famine and other things) for a great world crisis is setting up.
 

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Beginning of the end for western hegemony in technical field. It is going to happened sooner or latter because of nearsightedness by prosecuting Huawei with unintended consequence.
Now that their expansion overseas is blocked Huawei has not choice but increasing their market share domestically. guess who is going to suffer?

UPDATE 4-Qualcomm outlook clouded by Huawei's smartphone gains in China
By Stephen Nellis and Munsif Vengattil,Reuters Wed, Jul 31 3:24 PM CDT

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July 31 (Reuters) - Qualcomm Inc's quarterly revenue and profit forecast fell short of Wall Street targets, driven by Huawei Technologies Co Ltd's strong gains in the Chinese smartphone market, the U.S. company said, sending its shares down as much as 6%.

In an interview on Wednesday, Qualcomm Chief Executive Steve Mollenkopf told Reuters Huawei had stolen market share mainly from its domestic rivals such as Xiaomi Corp, Oppo and Vivo, all of which are major Qualcomm customers.

Huawei's advance has spurred other phone makers to cancel 4G models planned for the rest of this year and instead focus on 5G models for release early next year that could drive growth for Qualcomm, he added.

"Huawei was very aggressive in terms of making sure they built their market share there because they couldn't sell things internationally," Mollenkopf said. "And the reaction of the (other Chinese phone makers) was, 'Let's go as fast as we can to 5G, because there's a great opportunity there,' even to the point of saying, 'Let's cancel 4G models.'"


Mollenkopf said Qualcomm will not see benefits from that shift until early 2020 but said 5G rollouts by carriers appeared to be on track, including in China where Huawei is also a major telecommunications gear supplier. KinNgai Chan, an analyst at Summit Insights Group, called Qualcomm's outlook a "pause in 4G ahead of the transition to 5G."

Huawei's effect on Qualcomm's forecast underscores the extent to which the Chinese company has become more of a rival than a customer to the San Diego-based company. Huawei, which was the subject of U.S. sales restrictions imposed in May, continues to buy a small number of Qualcomm chips.

But the companies, which are among the world's largest holders of patents related to 5G technology, are in a protracted licensing dispute. Huawei had been making good-faith payments and negotiations have inched forward, but Mollenkopf said no further payments are included in Qualcomm's fiscal fourth quarter guidance.

"The companies are talking and we're focused on a final agreement, but we don't have it yet," Mollenkopf said.

Huawei supplies many of its own chips for smartphones, and it grabbed market share from Chinese companies over the past quarter, according to market research firm Canalys. Those companies' higher-end phones, which compete against directly with Hauwei's models, tend to use Qualcomm chips.

Mollenkopf said the U.S.-China trade war and a slow smartphone market drove Qualcomm to lower its outlook for 2019 sales of smart devices to a range of 1.7 billion to 1.8 billion, down from a previous estimate of 1.8 billion to 1.9 billion.


Qualcomm collects license fees from smartphone makers for using its patents.

The company's modem chip shipments fell 22% to 156 million in the third quarter, missing analysts' estimate of 160.1 million, according to FactSet.

Apple Inc and Qualcomm settled all their litigation in April. Apple signed a six-year patent license deal with Qualcomm, as well as a multi-year chip supply agreement.

The two have not said when Apple would resume using Qualcomm's chips in iPhones after dropping them in favor of Intel Corp's chips for 2018 iPhone models.

Apple last week bought Intel's modem business to help supply its own smartphone chips. Mollenkopf told Reuters the company had expected such a deal when negotiating its agreement with the iPhone maker, but Apple's purchase had no effect on Qualcomm's fourth quarter outlook.

"This was something everybody assumed," Mollenkopf said. "And we protected ourselves and feel very good about continuing to be able to compete" for Apple's business, he added.

Qualcomm forecast total fourth-quarter revenue of $4.3 billion to $5.1 billion and profit of 65 cents and 75 cents per share, below estimates of $5.63 billion and $1.08 per share, according to IBES data from Refinitiv.

Qualcomm is also seeking to pause the enforcement of a sweeping antitrust decision in a case brought by the U.S. Federal Trade Commission. The company has said the ruling could upend its licensing talks with handset makers around 5G technology.

Revenue for the third quarter ended June 30 was $4.9 billion, missing analysts' estimates of $5.08 billion. That excluded a one-time payment from Apple for unpaid royalties while the two were in a legal dispute.

Excluding items, Qualcomm earned 80 cents per share, beating analysts' average estimate of 75 cents. (Reporting by Munsif Vengattil in Bengaluru and Stephen Nellis in San Francisco; Editing by Sriraj Kalluvila and Richard Chang)
 
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on $300 billion of Chinese imports starting September 1
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Donald Trump says US to hit US$300 billion worth of Chinese goods with 10 per cent tariff
  • US president’s announcement comes after the latest round of trade talks between the world’s two largest economies
  • Punitive action marks the biggest escalation in the 13-month trade war since May
Updated: 9:49am, 2 Aug, 2019
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US President Donald Trump announced on Thursday that he would impose new tariffs on US$300 billion worth of Chinese imports after a high-level trade mission that, Trump said, produced too little in terms of concessions from Beijing.

US customs will impose “a small, additional” levy of 10 per cent on the imports, starting on September 1, he said.

“China agreed to buy agricultural product from the US in large quantities, but did not do so,” Trump said in a series of tweets.

“Additionally, my friend President Xi said that he would stop the sale of Fentanyl to the United States – this never happened, and many Americans continue to die!”

Trump’s announcement breaks a ceasefire that had been in place since he met his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping, a month ago during the G20 summit in Osaka, Japan.

It also marks the biggest escalation in the 13-month trade war since the US leader announced in May, just ahead of bilateral talks in Washington, that 10 per cent tariffs on US$250 billion worth of goods would step up to 25 per cent.

Industry groups affected by the import tariffs weighed in quickly on Thursday, with the US Chamber of Commerce, National Retail Federation, Retail Industry Leaders Association (RILA) and the American Apparel and Footwear Association all condemning Trump’s move.

The action also rattled capital markets and oil prices. The S&P 500 stock index dived after the tariff announcement, erasing an earlier daily gain of more than 1 per cent and falling to a loss of the same magnitude, while oil prices fell by nearly 8 per cent.

The new tariff “is a direct hit on consumer products and family budgets, plain and simple”, RILA, which counts Apple and Nike as members, said in a statement.

“Tariffs are taxes on American consumers. And if these tariffs happen, American consumers will bear the brunt of these tactics via higher prices on everyday items like clothing, toys, home goods and electronics,” the association said.

“American families shouldn’t be a pawn in this trade war.”

Myron Brilliant, the US Chamber of Commerce’s executive vice-president and head of international affairs, said raising tariffs by 10 per cent on an additional US$300 billion worth of imports from China “will only inflict greater pain on American businesses, farmers, workers and consumers, and undermine an otherwise strong US economy”.

Wendy Cutler, a former US trade negotiator, echoed that sentiment.

US-China trade talks “aren't getting any easier”, Cutler, who is now vice-president at the Asia Society Policy Institute, said in a tweet.

“Don't expect … China to sit by, the [US]$300b tariffs plus China's counter-retaliation will take a heavy toll on consumers, workers, businesses and farmers in the US.”

However, speaking to reporters at the White House after his announcement, Trump asserted that China was bearing the brunt of the trade war.

China is “paying for these tariffs. We’re not”, Trump said, adding: “Until such time as there is a deal, we'll be taxing them”.

The latest twist in the trade war underscores the distance between Washington and Beijing.

Trump has repeatedly accused China of not doing enough to halt imports of fentanyl, a synthetic opioid that the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention blamed for 18,000 fatal overdoses in 2016, the last year for which data is available.

When Trump met Xi in Argentina in December, the Chinese president promised to tighten restrictions on the manufacture and sale of the drug.

As part of the curbs, all fentanyl-related substances were added to a supplementary list of controlled narcotic drugs and psychotropic substances with non-medical use.

State television broadcasts ahead of talks in Shanghai this week between Chinese Vice-Premier Liu He, US Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin –the first since talks broke down in May – lauded China’s purchases of US agricultural goods as a sign of benevolence in the trade dispute.

The purchases were part of “unremitting efforts to show goodwill” ahead of the resumption of trade talks, as well as a bid to shift the focus away from the controversial issues of forced technology transfer and enforcement, according to state media.

After the talks, the US said it wanted further negotiations to result in “an enforceable trade deal”.

China’s statement did not mention enforcement, suggesting that this demand remains a stumbling block to a deal. China’s previous objections to US proposals on the issue led to the breakdown of talks in early May.

Asked by reporters whether the September 1 date for the new tariffs was meant to give the Chinese side a chance for Xi to “negotiate himself out of this”, Trump said no, adding: “The reason is, it takes a long time for the ships to come over. And it’s a period of time. So I'm giving him four – like a four-week period of time before the tariffs go on”.

The political risk consultancy Eurasia Group characterised Trump’s latest move as “a return to his pre-G20 approach to negotiations with China, attempting to build additional leverage over Beijing even as talks continue”.

“The threat is a serious gamble for Trump. It likely signals that he would prefer to reach a deal on his terms before the 2020 election, and is willing to use the tools at his disposal to build pressure on China to that end,” Eurasia’s China and Northeast Asia practice director, Michael Hirson, said in a research note.

“The (relatively) optimistic case for today’s move would be that Trump believes China is dragging its feet on two discrete issues – fentanyl and agricultural purchases – and that the tariff threat is meant to restart these actions,” Hirson said.

“That doesn’t mean Beijing will respond as he hopes; it would be extremely embarrassing for China to step up imports from the US under the threat of blackmail,” he added.
 
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China, U.S. to intensify trade consultations in August: MOC
Xinhua| 2019-08-01 21:06:17
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Chinese and U.S. negotiating teams will maintain close communication and intensify trade consultations at the work level in August to prepare for the meeting of chief trade negotiators from both sides in September, said the Ministry of Commerce Thursday.

Gao Feng, a spokesperson for the ministry, made the remarks at a news conference.

The two sides held the 12th round of China-U.S. high-level economic and trade consultations in Shanghai from Tuesday to Wednesday and have agreed to hold the next round of consultations in the U.S. in September.

In the 12th round of consultations, the two sides discussed the reasons for the previous deadlock, clarified stances on major economic and trade issues, and defined the principles, methods and schedules for future consultations, Gao said.

Responding to some U.S. comments imposing pressure on China, Gao said the bilateral consultations must be conducted on the basis of equality and mutual respect.

He expressed the hope that the U.S. side will make positive efforts, show sincerity and goodwill, and create a good atmosphere for the consultations.

The two sides have far more common interests than disputes in the economic and trade field, Gao stressed, adding that the pursuit for mutual benefit is the essence of bilateral economic and trade cooperation.

As to when an agreement could be reached, Gao said this would depend on the progress of the consultations.

The U.S. side should show sufficient sincerity, properly resolve China's core concerns, and make joint efforts with China to seek solutions on the basis of equality and mutual respect, he said.
 
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