Chinese Aviation Industry

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Lion

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chuck731 said:
China needs a totally new air space regulation framework to support a large private aviation sector. In the US, >95% of all airspace is open to general aviation. Restricted and denied airspace constitute only a tiny portion of all available air space. In China the situation is reversed, virtually all airspace not used by commerical air traffic is considered military reservation and denied air space. To open up denied airspace for large scale private aviation would be a huge blow to the perogative of the defence ministry.
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China airspace will open up more once domestic made passenger plane is available.
 
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i.e.

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just talking to some one who talked to the guy in charged of the wide body program.

That russian-china joint venture for wide body is a fishing project right now. they have hardly anyone knowledgable working on it as all of their meager internal resources are poured towards 1) ARj21 certification and 2) C919 first flight.

comac is using the program to fishing more funding from central gov't and pipe it towards c919.

as typical the narrow body will run about 50% over budget. not to mention entire new swath of expensive infrastructure they are building in shanghai to support the narrow body... the R/D center along is HUGE, not to mention the assembly plant...

they are breaking grounds for two new runways at south end of Pudong International just to support the final assembly...
 
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Skywatcher

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i.e. said:
just talking to some one who talked to the guy in charged of the wide body program.

That russian-china joint venture for wide body is a fishing project right now. they have hardly anyone knowledgable working on it as all of their meager internal resources are poured towards 1) ARj21 certification and 2) C919 first flight.

comac is using the program to fishing more funding from central gov't and pipe it towards c919.

as typical the narrow body will run about 50% over budget. not to mention entire new swath of expensive infrastructure they are building in shanghai to support the narrow body... the R/D center along is HUGE, not to mention the assembly plant...

they are breaking grounds for two new runways at south end of Pudong International just to support the final assembly...
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Well, if you even want the widebody to be the air by 2025 (whether in service or prototype) you should start the preliminary talks at this stage, even if it's a Il-96 derivative.
 
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i.e.

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Skywatcher said:
Well, if you even want the widebody to be the air by 2025 (whether in service or prototype) you should start the preliminary talks at this stage, even if it's a Il-96 derivative.
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they wanted all the IP and production in china. russians don't have the funding.

russians have some twine-engine wide body preliminary sketch designs derived from IL96 but very behind (from west) in terms of flight control technology and system integration... not to say comac is any better, prob worse.
doing preliminary sketch designs on paper is prob easiest part.

realistically if a wide body would ever be off the ground C919 has to be somewhat commercially successful first, before comac can convince any one to get funding, that's the key to everything. comac is underpressure to get it done on ARJ21 and show substantial progress on C919 before gov't will shell out any more funding.

C919 w its latest delays, is looking at 2015 first flight date (may be) and a 202X EIS date... so if you do the math wide body wouldnt be until 202X at least for first flight.


anyway oddly enough if you look at who actually fund the damn thing. gov't of shanghai is actually a huge silent share holder. holding company, land etc. the office whose in charge of wide body right now is in Beijing (bunch of novices academics w no program experiences) , but the wide bodies may actually be design and/or build in shanghai.
 
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