Chinese Aviation Industry

gadgetcool5 said:

These aren't 11 posts making the same point, they are just a collection of posts discussing various factors that happen to be related to Western sanctions and the supply chain, so what? It's a central fact of China's civilian aviation industry... and it will continue to be so for the foreseeable future.

Also the SCMP story is discussing the same issue. Get used to this kind of discussion because it'll continue to be relevant, although I think I've made my point.

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Yeah yeah yeah, nobody gives a flying rat's arse about your umpteenth re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-iteration.

Please allow me to re-iterate: stick with political threads. Come back when you have something to contribute other than your obsessive compulsive trolling masqueraded as re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-iterations.

Not sure whether this has been posted here, so I'll just post it for reference (please don't be angry with me).

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, the turboprop IL-114-300, which is the planned replacement for the Antonov An-2 and the Chinese-Russian joint project

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Even the C929 joint project between Russia and China is affected.

China really needs to reduce reliance on foreign manufacturers for as much components for the C929 AND ESPECIALLY C919 as possible, in particular crtitical components such as avionics and the turbofan engine.

The stunts pulled against Russia today could very well be pulled against China too any other day, considering the Western monopoly of the aviation industry today. So it's prime time for China to intensify efforts to become as much fully self-reliant as possible.

ACuriousPLAFan said:

Not sure whether this has been posted here, so I'll just post it for reference.

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Even the C929 joint project between Russia and China is affected.

China really needs to reduce reliance on foreign manufacturers for as much components for the C929 AND ESPECIALLY C919 as possible, in particular crtitical components such as avionics and the turbofan engine.

The stunts pulled against Russia today could very well be pulled against China too any other day, considering the Western monopoly of the aviation industry today. So it's prime time for China to intensify efforts to become as much fully self-reliant as possible.

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Airworthiness certifications are reciprocal. It is different than indigenization.

While China should prepare itself for such stunts, no need to be too worried IMO. China is a much larger aivation market than Russia. It is growing fast and projected to be the largest one in 2040. If Europe (or the US) does this to China, it will lose access to this market.

ACuriousPLAFan said:

The stunts pulled against Russia today could very well be pulled against China too any other day, considering the Western monopoly of the aviation industry today. So it's prime time for China to intensify efforts to become as much fully self-reliant as possible.

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The only reason they have not tried to do this with Chinese aircraft yet is because they are not competitive thus far. Pulling certification makes little difference for Russian aircraft manufacturers in practice since they have effectively no clients in the "West". In fact it will likely speed up the introduction into service of new aircraft models by a year or two because they won't need as extensive a certification process. And traditional Russian aviation clients in Africa never cared that much about Western aircraft certification anyway.

Is Canada still dragging C919 ice certification tests?

An engineering prototype of a hybrid electric propulsion system (turbine-electric) from the 3rd Academy of CASIC. Output is 60kW. A 100kW prototype will soon follow.




AECC is also developing hybrid electric propulsion. Recently an SA60L light aircraft equipped with AECC's hybrid propulsion system completed its first maiden flight.

In fact it count be posted in several threads and so I put it in here ...

In this video it says that Russia has reached China to buy spare parts of their Boeing and Airbus planes，but China declined

Most of the aircraft Russia imported and still have in use are old Airbus A320, A321 and Boeing 737 aircraft. i.e. the Classic versions.
Besides cannibalization, the Russians will be able to find aircraft parts in the gray market.
With COVID-19 and higher fuel prices I bet a lot of those aircraft worldwide will end up in a junkyard somewhere. If you think someone won't try to smuggle old parts for cash, I think you are quite naive.
Iran has been under sanctions since, like, forever. And they still fly aircraft. Heck, they still fly the F-14 Tomcat after almost 50 years. Good luck finding parts for that anywhere. The flight safety will decrease because of poorer quality parts. But they will still be able to fly aircraft. And in a couple of years the Russians will have their own replacements with 100% native parts enter production.

I also heard that guy claim some videos back what will happen since Aeroflot has a maintenance center in Germany. Surely they are doomed and the aircraft won't fly in 3 weeks. Yawn. Well, there are certified maintenance centers in Russia for the A320 like A-Technics.

And A-Technics have quite high certification level. Russian engineers are also certainly not less qualified than Iranian ones, who have been able to run A320 Classic aircraft despite years of sanctions.

tonyget said:

In this video it says that Russia has reached China to buy spare parts of their Boeing and Airbus planes，but China declined

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@by78 Can you be less cynical to other members?

China cannot sell spare parts of Boeing and Airbus without their consents. Chinese manufacturers made them under contract with Boeing and Airbus, the design and patent rights belongs to Boeing and Airbus. It is like Foxcon in China making Apple Iphones under contract, they can only sell the Iphones to Apple.

And since Russia is a party to the contract manufacturing deal signed (say, between AVIC and Boeing/Airbus), they cannot buy from the Chinese contract manufacturers.