Chinese Aviation Industry


Hendrik_2000

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Yes you can do auto translation of video just follow the instruction Nach CC Du musst drucken the logo wie sieht aus rad(wheel) A pop up will ercheinen dann du sieht auto translate nun must du drucken, dann du sieht a wahl biete finden English
Sorry nach rad logo zuerst siehst du Subtitle nachdem autotranslate
 

KFX

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Nope there's no vitriol here. You mistake debunking your misconceptions as vitriol. That is common for people of privilege to regard the simple act of disagreement as an outrageous provocation. But it isn't, it's just your personal unfamiliarity with people who have the audacity to disagree with you.

China's commercial aerospace sector seeks western regulatory approval - not really technology. the west banned all Russian/Soviet airliners until 1999, suppressing the Russian commercial aviation industry in the process.
How do you explain all the extensive Chinese espionage aimed at stealing western aerospace technology? Especially around engines. Why all the joint ventures with western companies?
 

FairAndUnbiased

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How do you explain all the extensive Chinese espionage aimed at stealing western aerospace technology? Especially around engines. Why all the joint ventures with western companies?
Where's the proof? Just unilateral claims.

If there truly was so much espionage then why would anyone agree to joint venture? Everyone is an idiot but you?
 

KFX

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Criticism and arguments are not vitriol.

My contention with this statement is that would you have said the same regarding the US and EU not approving chinese COVID vaccines as an example of politics as well? Or is that not politics because the US and EU have higher standards?
This an aerospace forum, not a pharma forum. That said, the (uncertified-anywhere-but-China) ARJ21 is basically the Sinovac of the aerospace world: accepted at home because users have no choice, but nobody in the rest of the world wants it.
 

FangYuan

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This an aerospace forum, not a pharma forum. That said, the (uncertified-anywhere-but-China) ARJ21 is basically the Sinovac of the aerospace world: accepted at home because users have no choice, but nobody in the rest of the world wants it.

There is no problem with that.

China doesn't care.
 

ougoah

Colonel
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Still here. Quite amusing to see the Pro-China trolls so wound up.

All I did was debunk your senseless nonsense.

No one cares for your senseless nonsense. You believe what you want but it's nice to debunk crap once in a while and expose your ignorance and stupidity for what it is.

Basically it goes like this.

You: "China can't even make FBW for anything. China's the worst".

Me: "Here is why you're wrong with these examples and why your empty proclamation are Jai Hind India levels of discussion".

You: "pro-China trolls are so wound up".

lol

While China mastered canards, flying wings, variable geometry, mach 20 HGVs, various HGVs and hundreds of hypersonic flights, you're here telling us how some nobody American FBW developer is the be all end all to Chinese flying wing FBW... a contractor given an unimportant slice of the propeller civil aviation industry of China because politics call for it, one that has never had any experience developing FBW for flying wings compared to AVIC with several under its belt? LOL btw China has already got at least one flying wing under its belt. How many has that American company got? that's right zero. AVIC has already got several prop aircraft with Chinese FBW for decades. What you said before about this American company being the one that is important to H-20 is mind boggling levels of trollish stupidity. All that's happened is you getting humiliated with facts because your claim is funny levels of false.

It's clear who the real troll is and who is actually wound up and deeply upset that China has enviable FBW capability second to nobody. As my previous post proves. I've yet to see the equivalent from anyone except the USA and Russia.
 
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ougoah

Colonel
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This an aerospace forum, not a pharma forum. That said, the (uncertified-anywhere-but-China) ARJ21 is basically the Sinovac of the aerospace world: accepted at home because users have no choice, but nobody in the rest of the world wants it.

And yet millions of doses of Chinese vaccines have been supplied to and used by millions of non-Chinese people.

Funny how facts simply do not line up with your ramblings.

As for ARJ-21. It is indeed internationally uncompetitive. It is a first step in civil aviation in a country that hasn't developed and evaluated the entire developing, testing, flying, using, maintaining process for domestically made civil aviation. It can be considered as a gov effort to support a young and inexperienced industry. Compared to the Mitsubishi regional airliner, the ARJ-21 at least already has many dozens in service and the project allows for the developer to make money, build planes, develop the next. It's almost impossible to break into this industry as a newcomer. It demands extraordinary levels of engineering capability, impressive program management to develop the standards and rulebooks for everything from how to test the nuts and bolts to how often to perform certain tasks. China has to start somewhere and in a race where there is really only 2 real players, I'd say how they're doing this long term project (of creating a mature Chinese civil aviation industry in 20, 30 ,40, 50 years etc) is at least a somewhat decent path.

I do not see anyone else breaking into this. Not even the Russians have been able to challenge Embraer and Bombardier in the international market and the Russians already have decades upon decades of learning and refining these.

These planes do not need to be internationally competitive. They are there to wean China off dependence on the duopoly and nurture a new industry in its infancy so that it may one day have a reasonably competitive product. When I say these planes, I would consider the C919 and C929 to be included as they are all the first steps in developing the industry and providing a step 1 for the technology and logistics chain that can only come from taking step 1.

Where is Italy, Spain, Germany, UK, Japan, Korea, Sweden, Switzerland, Australia etc along in doing nothing more than being some tiny to reasonably significant player in the supply chain? Something China has also been a part of for over a decade. AVIC aspires to first get to Russia's level of civil aviation and then at least it has developed and nurtured a technology and logistics base that can more greatly benefit from its huge market and the finances that flow into this field, only improving the tech base. That is the aim.

You are making some pretty outrageous and sometimes untrue, always arrogant, judgements on an industry that has barely taken its first step. It could well end up like EV industry with Chinese civil aviation tech becoming an increasingly important part of the supply chain as certain aspects become internationally leading e.g. BYD and CATL for battery tech in EVs. With the amount of engineering effort and financing of projects (thanks to taking step 1), at the very least, China would have less dependence on the duopoly and that also means the duopoly losing billions in would be income therefore having less funding to develop the next thing or simply just having that much less money to finance their projects and R&D.
 
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