Chinese Aviation Industry

Hendrik_2000

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The World's Most Modern Turboprop
The robust Q400, the world’s most modern turboprop, has been honed to perfection, allowing families, businesses and communities to stay connected. The Q400, the latest in the Q Series family, provides unmatched performance and operational flexibility. Designed as a modern, 21st-century turboprop, it entered service in the year 2000. With a dispatch reliability rate of over 99.5%, the aircraft has transported about 400 million passengers worldwide. And, thanks to its industry-leading passenger experience, operating costs and environmental footprint, the Q400 is the pinnacle of a modern turboprop, making a great machine even greater.

My comment
I am sad to see Canada bombardier sold Q400 to China Canada has one of the best aerospace program dating from 100 years ago and continuing thru the world war 2 with massive production of Lancaster in Malton close to Toronto in Ontario.
Right after WWII Canada built Avro Arrow jet the most advanced jet at that time only to be scuttled by conservative government To add insult to injury they totally destroyed the few prototype by chain sawing the plane
Canada built some of the best bush plane around
That is the tragic story of Canada's technology quest. Having the technology, skill, is not enough if you don't have the market size and financial clout

Here is the news
Q400
What I've been told is that Bombardier is selling the Q400 division in its totality to a buyer in China. After the Canadian Federal government asked Bombardier not to sell the CSeries to the Chinese who offered to purchase it --a program so heavily ladden with new technologies-- Ottawa let it be known it would be perfectly able to live with the transfer of the total ownership of the Q400 to China. With nearly all fuselage components already built in China it would now remain to be seen for how long Bombardier would continue supplying the aircraft's cockpit currently made in Downsview/Toronto, when would this be transfert to China with the rest of the fuselage construction . We should assume new assembly lines would be installed in China.

Q400 Made in China
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Bombardier Q400 Made in China AVIC SAC Commercial Aircraft Company Limited (hereinafter referred to as "SACC")


It is not clear yet if the new Q400 Chinese owner would keep any of the Q400 operations currently located in Dowsview near Toronto, Ontario. On the other hand, Pratt & Whitney Canada would still be supplying the PW150A powerplants..

What would Bombardier get? Basically, breathing space by bailing out from an aircraft program where the company has been losing money at each delivery. How would the deal be structured? Politically I would not be surprised that we're told that jobs in Downsview are preserved… but for how long? Maybe until the next Canadian Federal Elections? More on this soon!

CRJ
The CRJ aircraft would then be the only one left for Bombardier to jettison, de facto eliminating its Commercial Aircraft Division. To now focus on its highly profitable Business Aircraft division and its Transport Division (owned at 70% by Bombardier Inc, 30% by the Caisse de Dépôt et placements du Québec)


  • The Canadian Lancasters

During the early years of the war, the British and their Allies were making plans to build as many aircraft as possible. If some of this manufacturing could be done out of the range of Nazi bombers the process became simpler and more reliable. The United States was not involved in the war and so Britain turned to Canada which in a surprisingly short time was rolling out thousands of various smaller aircraft both for operational use and as trainers.

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Lancaster R-5727 over Montreal 24 Aug. 1942
On September 18, 1941 a decision was made to build Lancasters in Canada and the first drawings arrived in January 1942. For a country still largely agrarian and just recovering from a decade of depression, the challenge was immense. 500,000 manufacturing operations were involved in building a Lancaster which was made up of some 55,000 separate parts even when engines and turrets were only considered as one and small items such as rivets, nuts, and bolts were not included. A Lancaster from England was flown across the Atlantic in August, 1942 to act as a "pattern" and a Crown Corporation named Victory Aircraft was formed to do the work in Malton, Ontario.
 
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SinoSoldier

Colonel
Technology
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The World's Most Modern Turboprop
The robust Q400, the world’s most modern turboprop, has been honed to perfection, allowing families, businesses and communities to stay connected. The Q400, the latest in the Q Series family, provides unmatched performance and operational flexibility. Designed as a modern, 21st-century turboprop, it entered service in the year 2000. With a dispatch reliability rate of over 99.5%, the aircraft has transported about 400 million passengers worldwide. And, thanks to its industry-leading passenger experience, operating costs and environmental footprint, the Q400 is the pinnacle of a modern turboprop, making a great machine even greater.

My comment
I am sad to see Canada bombardier sold Q400 to China Canada has one of the best aerospace program dating from 100 years ago and continuing thru the world war 2 with massive production of Lancaster in Malton close to Toronto in Ontario.
Right after WWII Canada built Avro Arrow jet the most advanced jet at that time only to be scuttled by conservative government To add insult to injury they totally destroyed the few prototype by chain sawing the plane
Canada built some of the best bush plane around
That is the tragic story of Canada's technology quest. Having the technology, skill, is not enough if you don't have the market size and financial clout

Here is the news
Q400
What I've been told is that Bombardier is selling the Q400 division in its totality to a buyer in China. After the Canadian Federal government asked Bombardier not to sell the CSeries to the Chinese who offered to purchase it --a program so heavily ladden with new technologies-- Ottawa let it be known it would be perfectly able to live with the transfer of the total ownership of the Q400 to China. With nearly all fuselage components already built in China it would now remain to be seen for how long Bombardier would continue supplying the aircraft's cockpit currently made in Downsview/Toronto, when would this be transfert to China with the rest of the fuselage construction . We should assume new assembly lines would be installed in China.

Q400 Made in China
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Bombardier Q400 Made in China AVIC SAC Commercial Aircraft Company Limited (hereinafter referred to as "SACC")


It is not clear yet if the new Q400 Chinese owner would keep any of the Q400 operations currently located in Dowsview near Toronto, Ontario. On the other hand, Pratt & Whitney Canada would still be supplying the PW150A powerplants..

What would Bombardier get? Basically, breathing space by bailing out from an aircraft program where the company has been losing money at each delivery. How would the deal be structured? Politically I would not be surprised that we're told that jobs in Downsview are preserved… but for how long? Maybe until the next Canadian Federal Elections? More on this soon!

CRJ
The CRJ aircraft would then be the only one left for Bombardier to jettison, de facto eliminating its Commercial Aircraft Division. To now focus on its highly profitable Business Aircraft division and its Transport Division (owned at 70% by Bombardier Inc, 30% by the Caisse de Dépôt et placements du Québec)


  • The Canadian Lancasters

During the early years of the war, the British and their Allies were making plans to build as many aircraft as possible. If some of this manufacturing could be done out of the range of Nazi bombers the process became simpler and more reliable. The United States was not involved in the war and so Britain turned to Canada which in a surprisingly short time was rolling out thousands of various smaller aircraft both for operational use and as trainers.

p_lanccanadian3.jpg


Lancaster R-5727 over Montreal 24 Aug. 1942
On September 18, 1941 a decision was made to build Lancasters in Canada and the first drawings arrived in January 1942. For a country still largely agrarian and just recovering from a decade of depression, the challenge was immense. 500,000 manufacturing operations were involved in building a Lancaster which was made up of some 55,000 separate parts even when engines and turrets were only considered as one and small items such as rivets, nuts, and bolts were not included. A Lancaster from England was flown across the Atlantic in August, 1942 to act as a "pattern" and a Crown Corporation named Victory Aircraft was formed to do the work in Malton, Ontario.

You can give thanks to that bozo Trudeau who gave government kickbacks to Boeing, only to see the funds go directly to the salaries of its CEOs. And also Diefenbaker who effectively neutered Canada's military aerospace industry.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
You can give thanks to that bozo Trudeau who gave government kickbacks to Boeing, only to see the funds go directly to the salaries of its CEOs. And also Diefenbaker who effectively neutered Canada's military aerospace industry.

Which Trudeau are you talking about Pierre or Justin? As far as I remember the liberal government has always supported the Canadian aerospace industry with their policy
It is the conservative party with their ideology of less government that dismantle the Canadian aerospace industry
But having said so Avro Arrow is non starter It is an plane that came to late because by that time missile has been replaced by bomber as the main carrier of nuclear bomb. And avro arrow was designed as interceptor for Soviet bomber

Anyway here is beautiful video highlighting the important milestone in Chinese aerospace industry accompanied by beautiful song. The spirit soar just like China aerospace

In the last 5 years China makes a great stride in their quest for advance fighter and transport This video is tribute to that effort
 
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SinoSoldier

Colonel
Which Trudeau are you talking about Pierre or Justin? As far as I remember the liberal government has always supported the Canadian aerospace industry with their policy
It is the conservative party with their ideology of less government that dismantle the Canadian aerospace industry
But having said so Avro Arrow is non starter It is an plane that came to late because by that time missile has been replaced by bomber as the main carrier of nuclear bomb. And avro arrow was designed as interceptor for Soviet bomber

Anyway here is beautiful video highlighting the important milestone in Chinese aerospace industry accompanied by beautiful song. The spirit soar just like China aerospace

In the last 5 years China makes a great stride in their quest for advance fighter and transport This video is tribute to that effort

The younger Trudeau (and I meant to write "Bombardier" lol), who turned a blind eye to the fact that the company's CEOs siphoned government bailouts to their own pockets.

I'll address you in another thread if you wish to but the Avro was ahead of its time and was irreplaceable by missiles even though the Soviets had moved on to ICBM launch platforms. An interceptor always has duties even in modern times.
 

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
The younger Trudeau (and I meant to write "Bombardier" lol), who turned a blind eye to the fact that the company's CEOs siphoned government bailouts to their own pockets.

Fact: the money provided to Bombardier is a loan
Fact: Loan convenants generally don't stipulate conditions on executive pay, only on the seniority and ratio of debt (asset, EBITA/cashflow, etc)
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
This kind of plane is ideal for training student and transport if they can increase the range and duration of the flight. They are cheap to operate . I bet they are working on it right now
First successful flight of Chinese electric plane RX1E-A
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Five years after its predecessor, the new Chinese electric plane RX1E-A has successfully completed, this Wednesday afternoon, its first flight at the airfield Faku Caihu (法 库 县 财 湖 湖 机场), located northeast of China.

Compared to the previous version, this two-seater monoplane is heavier and above all able to fly longer. Its maximum takeoff weight has increased from 500 to 600 kg and its autonomy more than doubled, passing from 45 minutes to 2 hours, thanks to its six rechargeable lithium battery modules. It also has an integrated parachute, a great first on a light tourist aircraft in China.


The result of a collaboration between Shenyang Aerospace University and Liaoning General Aviation Academy (LGAA), the development of the first model of this Chinese electric aircraft dates back to June 2012. The RX1E then obtained its certificate of airworthiness from CAAC in February 2014, and the first two copies were delivered to customers in June 2015.

Its low cost of the flight hour, at 20 yuan per hour, or 2.6 € at today's exchange rate, makes this electric plane particularly suitable for the needs of pilot training, tourist excursions, meteorological studies or rescue operations.

According to LGAA staff, a student pilot could obtain a certificate after 30 days of theoretical and practical training, with one to four hours per day.

So far, the program has recorded a total of 1,950 cycles and 1,300 flight hours for commissioned aircraft. With 128 devices in the order book, for a unit price of about 1 million yuan (140,000 euros), this Chinese electric aircraft intends to gradually conquer the market in Asia or even Europe. Its con also plans to increase the rate of production up to 100 devices per year before 2020.

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The Chinese electric plane RX1E-A (Photos; Xinhua)
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It should be noted that the RX1E achieved in 2016 more than 70 flights at low or very low temperature, down to -37 ° C. This makes it possible to check the reliability of the aircraft and its various embedded systems to potentially respond to a wider market.

The LGAA has also developed a hydrogen- powered , all-composite drone prototype called LN60F , which made its first flight in July 2012.

To be continued.

Henri K.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Via cirr from Pakdef
With electric plane's success, bigger model planned

2017-11-04 09:03

China Daily Editor: Li Yan

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The RX1E-A, a two-seat electric plane, makes its maiden flight in Shenyang, Liaoning province, on Wednesday. (Photo/Xinhua)

Research and development of a four-seat electric airplane will begin soon, hot on the heels of the successful test flight of a two-seat version earlier this week, Zou Haining, deputy head of the Liaoning General Aviation Academy, said on Friday.

"We believe there's a big demand for that type of electric plane, which can carry a bigger load on longer flights. It would transport both people and goods," he said. "And we will continue to improve the performance of electric planes."

The academy successfully completed the maiden flight of an advanced electric plane on Wednesday in Faku county of Shenyang, Liaoning province. Observers said the test flight, which lasted two hours in the air, demonstrated China's leading role in the industry.

The electric plane project started in 2012, led by Yang Fengtian, an academic at the Chinese Academy of Engineering. Yang is also president of Shenyang Aerospace University in the province.

It took the team two and a half years of intense work to design an aircraft light enough for electric power, along with a motor efficient enough to maximize the plane's lithium batteries.

In 2014, the team's first aircraft, the two-seat RX1E, went on display in Zhuhai, Guangdong province, and attracted worldwide attention. Liaoning Ruixiang General Aviation Co, a division of the academy, wrote 128 orders.

The more advanced two-seat version, the RX1E-A, achieved a flight time of two hours, up from about 45 minutes for its predecessor. With a maximum takeoff weight of 600 kilograms and a cruise speed of up to 160 kilometers per hour, the RX1E-A can fly 120 minutes, starting with fully charged batteries. It can fly at an altitude of nearly 3,000 meters, the academy said.

Each hour of flight will cost only 10 yuan for battery charging, according to Xiang Song, a designer for the RX1E-A.

"Flying this plane is like driving my Volkswagen sedan. It is so easy to control that even a beginner can handle the machine," said Chen Zhanwei, the test pilot who has worked on the project for years.

The improved aircraft is equipped with a parachute that can bring both pilot and plane down safely in the event of an emergency.

The plane's easy maintenance, low operating cost, high safety and environmental friendliness will bring many buyers for a wide range of purposes, such as police patrols, flight training, entertainment and mapping surveys, Zou said.

The extended endurance of the plane, will help it tap into markets in the United States and Europe, he said.

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China and EU agrees to recognize each other’s aircraft product-safety standards.
This opens door for possible export of Chinese aircraft to EU.



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China Lands EU Aviation-Safety Deal
By Huang Rong and Mo Yelin
Nov 14, 2017 05:49 AM
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China and the European Union have agreed to recognize each other’s aircraft product-safety standards, one month after Beijing
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with the U.S.

The agreement, which will take effect by the end of 2018, was announced Monday by China’s civil aviation authority.

China has been in negotiations with the EU and the U.S. for years to get its aviation standards recognized by international regulators. The deals should make it easier for China’s domestically produced aircraft to be used outside the country.


“It’s a great coup and success for Beijing,” said Saj Ahmad of StrategicAero Research, a Europe-based consultancy. “The agreement between the EU and China will strengthen the Chinese aviation and aerospace sectors in terms of developing new airplanes.”

But it is unclear whether Chinese aircraft can be directly exported to Europe after approval from the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC).

As with the China-U.S. deal, signatory countries can still request reviews on an individual basis. Beijing and the EU have “agreed to a general principle of reciprocity, but further negotiations will still be needed for a specific range of products,” said Xu Chaoqun, an official from the CAAC.

China has been working for years to break the aviation duopoly held by
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Co. and
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Group SE. This year it has scored several successes. In May, its homegrown passenger jet, the C919 — designed and constructed by state-owned Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China (COMAC) —
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The C919 is currently undergoing an airworthiness certification review by the European Aviation Safety Agency. Experts said the new agreement could accelerate that process and give COMAC a boost to enter the European market.

“By conforming to European or Western aviation standards, it allows COMAC to better position its products to airlines in the EU, which would only otherwise look at Airbus A320s or Boeing 737s,” Ahmad said.

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that the C919 had landed 130 new orders, bringing the total number to 730.

However, most of COMAC’s current clients are domestic airlines, with only 10% coming from overseas buyers, according to the company’s chief accountant, Tian Min.

But with the new deals, “cooperation on airplane certification and production standards will alleviate concerns for airlines because they know that the C919 and any other future Chinese-built airplane will be manufactured to the highest standards,” Ahmed said.
 
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