Chinese air to air missiles

Blitzo

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A new missile (for me at least) that has appeared on a J-11 or J-15 (it looks like it's in PLANAF grey?)

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Now I don't think it's PSed, and I also think it's new, but I'm not sure whether it's a completely new model or a development of PL-12 or PL-11, though I'd imagine it's the former.
Of course this raises some questions, because PL-12C is supposed to be the "compact" version, but the drawing/timeline we saw a while ago showed it only had foldable rear fins where as this one looks more like the compact AMRAAM with clipped fins rather than folding ones. It's possible they chose to go for the AMRAAM approach rather than fold fins.
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Hmmm .. most interesting ! ;)

Regarding the flaps I think it's a regular J-11BH and the missile looks like a PL-12 version for internal carriage ... but here it seems like a standard J-11B.

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Quite interesting, Huitong calls this missile PL-1X as a new missile:

It was reported that 607 Institute has been developing a new activing radar homing AAM comparable to American AIM-120D (dubbed PL-15?). Recent photos showed a new type of missile being tested onboard a J-11B fighter. Compared to PL-12 of the same class, the missile features stablizing fins and tailfins with reduced wingspans, suggesting its design is optimized for internal carriage by the 4th generation fighter such as J-20. PL-1X may also features improved guidance system (including duplex datalink and new active/passive dual mode seeker with enhanced ECCM capability) as well as a bigger motor which gives it a longer range (~100km?). There was a speculation that PL-1X is actually a new anti-radiation AGM comparable to American HARM, but this has yet to be confirmed.

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So could this new missile be what the article is referring to? I disregarded it at the time, now... I'm not sure.

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China successfully develops new-generation air-to-air missile:

Thursday, May 19, 2011: China has achieved what some foreign experts once thought was impossible — it has independently developed a next-generation air-to-air missile without assistance from foreign specialists or borrowed technology.

Designed by Fan Huitao, the deputy director of the Air-to-Air Missile Research Institute under the Aviation Industry Corporation of China, the missile, known as the "Key Model," successfully passed the designed type approval test and achieved an excellent result, with all seven missiles hitting their targets.

Its successful development indicates that China already fully possesses the ability to independently develop internationally-advanced air-to-air missiles. It is a historic breakthrough in China's air-to-air missile development and has met the Chinese Air Force's requirement for the model to be designed, produced, delivered and made combat effective within one year. The new missile offers the military and country another trump card.

The Key Model is an international-advanced AAM model. It is a secret weapon for gaining air superiority. It plays a crucial role in reinforcing the power of national defense and strengthening the influence of China.

However, it is very hard to develop and only a few developed countries around the world possess such a capability. The complicated system of the model and the high-grade, high-precision and advanced technologies needed to develop it has never been seen in the development of other models.

Foreign military experts once believed that employing foreign specialists as chief designers was the only way for China to succeed. Even some Chinese experts believed that the success rate of developing this kind of missile was not high when relying only on the current technical conditions of China. This was because China did not have any documents to refer to and could not use a shortcut.

The successful completion of the missile is the culmination of Fan Huitao's career in the aviation industry. After Fan graduated from Northwestern Poly-technical University with a major in aircraft engines in April 1986, he went to Luoyang and devoted himself to the field of air-to-air missiles.

In 2000, Fan took over as the chief model designer and began to lead a group in researching China's new-generation air-to-air missile.

Also, huitong said this might be an ARM instead... I'm thinking if it could be both an MRAAM and ARM like the Joint Dual-Role Air Dominance Missile the USAF is thinking of?
 
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Also, huitong said this might be an ARM instead... I'm thinking if it could be both an MRAAM and ARM like the Joint Dual-Role Air Dominance Missile the USAF is thinking of?


Doesn't the SD-10/PL-12 seeker has a dual mode seeker already?
for a high speed ARM against ground targets what's the point of changing the missile body? they arleady have the formidable YJ-91/KH-31.

The article clearly talks about a New AAM. may be ditching the agat seeker with a new domestic one and a new body?
 

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A new missile (for me at least) that has appeared on a J-11 or J-15 (it looks like it's in PLANAF grey?)

Now I don't think it's PSed, and I also think it's new, but I'm not sure whether it's a completely new model or a development of PL-12 or PL-11, though I'd imagine it's the former.
Of course this raises some questions, because PL-12C is supposed to be the "compact" version, but the drawing/timeline we saw a while ago showed it only had foldable rear fins where as this one looks more like the compact AMRAAM with clipped fins rather than folding ones. It's possible they chose to go for the AMRAAM approach rather than fold fins.
thoughts?

I see.
1) the notch in the rear control fins are gone.
2) front aerodynamic fines are shorter.
3) this looks like a live shot not a carrying dummy.

The original notch on SD-10/PL-12 rear fines are for lower hinge moment at high angles of attack. reduce the requirements on actuators, may be they finally got around redesigned the control actuators??
 

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Doesn't the SD-10/PL-12 seeker has a dual mode seeker already?
for a high speed ARM against ground targets what's the point of changing the missile body?

I don't think the clipped fins are for making it an ARM but to allow it to fit more rounds into J-20. My personal idea is that they can make this compact PL-12 (or future L/MRAAMs) into ARMs as well. A few high speed, relatively long ranged ARMs on a fast, high stealthy plane with additional A2A or A2G load would be formidable.

they arleady have the formidable YJ-91/KH-31.

Personally I'd like to see an ALARM style weapon with optical seeker in addition to passive, and loiter capability.
 
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PL-10 might be capable of that.

I remember seeing a pic of a J-11 carrying a missile what looked like PL-10 months ago (the old one, without the strakes) and it looked pretty long.
 
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