Chinese air to air missiles

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Trio: The production line for the PL-15 will be shut down and shifted to producing the anti-radiation variant of the PL-15. This is because the new missile (which I believe is the PL-16) is cheaper and offers better performance. Naval aviation may skip the PL-15 altogether and directly adopt the new missile.
 
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ougoah

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Tomboy said:
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This Type 100 seems to have a serial dating all the way back to 2023-6-17.
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And still some online who are too academic about the whole process or too eager to downplay China's MIC achievements will not even entertain the idea that everything being shown is following the rule that nothing that is truly leading edge that China's working on is ever shown hence everything we see is from many, many years ago.

PL-15E used to shoot down French Rafales had retrieved missile wreckage showing they were made in 2012 iirc, many years before people were comfortable admitting PL-15 was in mass production.

PL-15 production apparently has already stopped because it's now 2 generations old for China. The USAF hasn't even yet fielded an equivalent AAM that is as advanced as PL-15 according to the US itself. That would be the AIM-260. China has already stopped producing this level of missile. Let that sink in for a moment and then apply your thoughts to the hypersonic gliders and cruise missiles we are being shown. It is still the same old China, play your fourth best, show your third best and have two higher tiers at the ready. The US used to operate similarly back when it was fit during the Cold War. It's since become an India, bragging about stuff they only started working on. At least they're not like India, bragging about PPT drafts.
 
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ougoah

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This forum makes it bloody hard to share images. Everything is "not an image" or "too large" to share. Anyway it's a pita. I can't load the full images thanks to the stupidly low limits for this site.

These PL-15E wrecks retrieved by Indians were mostly rocket sections and frames but they managed to find a few burnt out seeker heads from the missile warhead detonating behind the seeker section. One of those seekers they shared an image of the manufacturing plate. Instead of 2012, it is 2015. My mistake, I didn't bother checking but PL-15 was thought to have went into mass production after J-20 reached service in 2017/2018 and only known about after photos of J-20 prototypes showing internal bay and four dummy PL-15 training missiles (the blue ones) were shown.

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2015 july is the marked date of manufacture for this particular PL-15E Pakistan used. We didn't see PL-15 until around that period in time. This just shows the missile was in active service in some form well before we estimated.
 
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totenchan

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ougoah said:
This forum makes it bloody hard to share images. Everything is "not an image" or "too large" to share. Anyway it's a pita. I can't load the full images thanks to the stupidly low limits for this site.

These PL-15E wrecks retrieved by Indians were mostly rocket sections and frames but they managed to find a few burnt out seeker heads from the missile warhead detonating behind the seeker section. One of those seekers they shared an image of the manufacturing plate. Instead of 2012, it is 2015. My mistake, I didn't bother checking but PL-15 was thought to have went into mass production after J-20 reached service in 2017/2018 and only known about after photos of J-20 prototypes showing internal bay and four dummy PL-15 training missiles (the blue ones) were shown.

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2015 july is the marked date of manufacture for this particular PL-15E Pakistan used. We didn't see PL-15 until around that period in time. This just shows the missile was in active service in some form well before we estimated.
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This is not PL-15 wreckage.
 
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ougoah

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It is widely presented with the PL-15E burnt out seekers. Do we know what it is actually from then?
 
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