Chinese Air Force related exports thread

[mshrief303]

Back to the recently seen J-10CE I had a discussion at another forum and summarised this, maybe someone could correct or complement it in case I missed something !

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But per my understanding we have no hard facts available on any confirmed customer and nowadays the media is more out for clicks & attention and reports without checking the facts, which again is spread even further by the social media. So in essence we have the following more or less credible claims:

• Sudan ... was once reported I think two years ago, since then NOTHING!
• Egypt ... was hyped as a given fact by local media and several fan-boys as if even local production would be granted, since then NOTHING! (but allegedly F-15 preferred now)
• Indonesia ... officially admitted but later again recalled! Seems IMO one of the most likely deals, but unsure if refurbished old J-10A or factory-fresh J-10CE
• Uzbekistan ... often rumoured as the likely true first customer after Pakistan
• Tanzania ... something of a wild-card, but indeed not impossible according to my information.

All other reports like North Korea, Algeria and whatever are IMO not credible or possible.

Egypt doesn't prefer F-15s, Egypt was scammed by a promise to give f-15s if they signed CISMOA agreement and that was in 2018, before that and after Egypt bought Mig-29m & Rafales and no F-15s.
Egypt problem with long range weapon especially A2A will stay as fucked it's with F-15s.

Egypt want to solve their weapns problems & they want a superiority fighter and especially stealth fighters. So if they didn't go for J-10C & J-35A because they can't withstand US pressure and doesn't have the economic power to hold the fort, they will go with rafales as they invested a lot in their relation with France. And maybe they can try to get JF-17s as it will lessen the pressure on them and open the way in the future to get J-35A.

Nevertheless as it seems in open-source information, Egypt will not be able to have first deliveries as they're slower than others, so it'll be tiresome for observers and it'll push them to not believing that Egypt will get it until they actually get it.

 

[Deino]

Egypt doesn't prefer F-15s, Egypt was scammed by a promise to give f-15s if they signed CISMOA agreement and that was in 2018, before that and after Egypt bought Mig-29m & Rafales and no F-15s.
Egypt problem with long range weapon especially A2A will stay as fucked it's with F-15s.

Egypt want to solve their weapns problems & they want a superiority fighter and especially stealth fighters. So if they didn't go for J-10C & J-35A because they can't withstand US pressure and doesn't have the economic power to hold the fort, they will go with rafales as they invested a lot in their relation with France. And maybe they can try to get JF-17s as it will lessen the pressure on them and open the way in the future to get J-35A.

Nevertheless as it seems in open-source information, Egypt will not be able to have first deliveries as they're slower than others, so it'll be tiresome for observers and it'll push them to not believing that Egypt will get it until they actually get it.

But concerning Egypt's alleged purchase of J-10CE my post above is correct?

 

[mshrief303]

But concerning Egypt's alleged purchase of J-10CE my post above is correct?

In short, you're correct there's no deal, but maybe in the future and there's a high chance other countries will step up before Egypt.

My comment was outlining that if Egypt doesn't go with J-10C & J-35A, they'll go for more Rafales. There's 0 chance with F-15s.

 

[Rafi]

Could be Pakistani, because there is interest in bringing up the number of J10CE in the PAF to the 70 to 100 range.

 

[Deino]

Could be Pakistani, because there is interest in bringing up the number of J10CE in the PAF to the 70 to 100 range.

The point is only ... is this interest claimed by the public, the interested crowd or indeed officially requested by the PAF?
So far all I hear from credible sources these are not for Pakistan, but for whom is the mystery.

 

[siegecrossbow]

The point is only ... is this interest claimed by the public, the interested crowd or indeed officially requested by the PAF?
So far all I hear from credible sources these are not for Pakistan, but for whom is the mystery.

Since PLAAF no longer takes deliveries it is definitely export oriented.

 

[Deino]

Since PLAAF no longer takes deliveries it is definitely export oriented.

I totally agree, but what's currently occupying my mind – since everything I'm interpreting, at least these, aren't for Pakistan – is who then is the mysterious unknown customer?

 

[Maz]

aren't for Pakistan

Why not ?
Pentagon report and other mainstream media have repeatedly mentioned order is for 36 airframes with only 20 delivered so far.

 

[Deino]

Why not ?
Pentagon report and other mainstream media have repeatedly mentioned order is for 36 airframes with only 20 delivered so far.

Since the official Pentagon posts on China are most often false and plain stupid wrong! They are to feed the stupid ignorant masses and as such often represent exactly what this mass wants to read.

Again, I cannot prove, but per my understanding they are not for Pakistan. This does not mean Pakistan will alter get indeed additional ones but I'm speaking strictly about these seen with 20X numbers.

 

[siegecrossbow]

We probably won’t know until these planes land at the destination. China is notoriously tight lipped about deals. We don’t know that the UAE L-15 were delivered until they flew at the Dubai Airshow.