Someone said these are internal photos of 96A
Do the type 96 and type 99 have air-condition or do they only have the small black fan?
Chinese 96-A
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Do the type 96 and type 99 have air-condition or do they only have the small black fan?
shen
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starting at 0:48, that short clip of ZBD05 planing is pretty rare. normally, when driving in formation, the speed is kept much lower. hopefully now that Venezuela also have this, we may see more high speed footage.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Hmm the EFV would have been faster at 25 KT's if it had not been canceled. ZDB05 also a fairly small platform, the length being 5.18M long compared to the EFV's 9.33 or 10.67 meters. the given beam of 2.74 meters compared to the EFV's 3.66 Meters the weights 26 metric tons vs 36 Metric tons and the payloads. EFV a 3 man crew with 17 Marines vs A 3 man crew with maybe 10 for the ZDB
No one is denying EFV would have been a bigger and more capable platform if they could pull it off. But it would also have been dramatically more costly than ZBD05.
The high requirements of EFV played a part in killing it, whereas ZBD05 with slightly more modest goals are now in mass service. Go figure
The high requirements of EFV played a part in killing it, whereas ZBD05 with slightly more modest goals are now in mass service. Go figure
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
The slightly more modest scale and configuration means that the ZDB2000 series is much closer in concept to that of say the Patria LAV series then the EFV or AAVP7A1 except with exceptional aquatic speed characteristics. Remember the AAV and EFV programs were developed based on USMC doctrine which has a 17 man Marine complement crammed into the hull, this is a very large passenger count compared to other Armored vehicles.
shen
Senior Member
that's the stupid part of the requirement.
Well the comparison with EFV only exists because of its speed in water. It is rare for amphibious assault vehicles to reach those kind of speeds, so naturally you would group them on basis of their rare characteristics rather than more general ones such as complement.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
No its not. Its the mission set. EFV was created to replace AAV which is not just a APC its also a transport. In crisis situations USMC forces have used them for humanitarian aid, medical evacuation, even cargo. That extra space allows alot of utility.
By using a smaller scale the PLAMC seems to have based there mission specs on more conventional vehicles, possibly following the BMP series mission base. The failing of the EFV had to do with a considered doctrinal shift. It was decided that anti ship missiles meant that the over the horizon assaults envisioned by the Marines at the start of the program were no longer a valid concept. This combined with the price and the needs of mission changed due to considered threats of IEDs and urban combat in Iraq. The ZDB series is definitely aimed as a over the horizon landing platform along that same mission but lacking the larger cargo capacity aiming more for a maneuver centric conventional conflict that infantry or humanitarian operations.
shen
Senior Member
How are you going to transport cargo with a ramp this narrow on the EFV? Other the other hand, US have numerous other LCU and LCAC to handle the cargo.
EFV with the 17 grunt carrying requirement is just too big and unwieldy as an IFV/APC once on land. That's something USMC learned the hard way with AAV7 in Iraq. The new requirement for the MPC component of ACV (replacement for EFV) sensibly only require to carry 9 marines grunts. And increasingly, MPC is looking like the only replacement vehicle the USMC is going to get due to budget reasons, despite its inferior swimming capability.