Blackstone
Brigadier
Actually, that's not necessarily a bad thing. Their unhappiness may fuel their desires to work harder for winning next year's competition.
Chinese 96-A
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Agreed,
But TBH, 3rd place is not bad,
Russia was really slated to win, especially since they are the host and there is always a home advantage.
Armenia, well a former soviet republic...
What is curious for me is, how did the Indians do? they should have some "well trained" crew with real recent "combat experience" and they did operate the T72s
The other thing is, the target ranges are a bit close, ~1.6km especially in the light that Abrams, Leos, Challies, Merks, have proven to shoot at 2.5km+ while the Leo claims to be able to engage targets with shell fire at 5 km.
This is where the type 96 might shine a bit better than the T72m3 , but it would be good to know if they can do effective combat at longer ranges.
Watch the entire final race.
[video=youtube;IPf0k-zJcXA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPf0k-zJcXA[/video]
It is a relay race, and dispute being the slowest tank there - the type 96a jumped fron 4th to 3rd place ! That's quite a achievement. Which means the t72 got plenty of misses of targets.
Some interesting observation,
At 00.12 and 0042, you can clearly see that the t96a is travelling at least twice the speed than the t72, while shooting on the move and at a constant speed. They hit all their targets.
At 01.00, dispite moving at a snail pace, the Russian clearly missed two out of three of their target. But i suspect, the judges might count them in.
At 01.12 , the type 96a engine flamed out, just afew hundred metre from the finishing line. WTH. ...It seemed the tankies wee gunning it all the way in this relay event. PLA should never bring a heavier, and underpowered tank to rat race. NEVER. .. BTW, perhaps this is the reason the Chinese were clearly disgrunted during the prize ceremony. I notice a replacement tank was not arranged and competiton ended. Perhaps they were penalised with minus time and robbed them of the 2nd or even first place. Because the t72 were really bad at shooting on the move. . you never know
Also, i noticed the Russian had removed all their ERA , except for the side turrent. That would mean a minimum 2-3 ton reduction in weight. While i understand, leeway is often entitled to the host nation. But isn't having a most powerful engine, in a relay race enough.
[video=youtube;IPf0k-zJcXA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPf0k-zJcXA[/video]
It is a relay race, and dispute being the slowest tank there - the type 96a jumped fron 4th to 3rd place ! That's quite a achievement. Which means the t72 got plenty of misses of targets.
Some interesting observation,
At 00.12 and 0042, you can clearly see that the t96a is travelling at least twice the speed than the t72, while shooting on the move and at a constant speed. They hit all their targets.
At 01.00, dispite moving at a snail pace, the Russian clearly missed two out of three of their target. But i suspect, the judges might count them in.
At 01.12 , the type 96a engine flamed out, just afew hundred metre from the finishing line. WTH. ...It seemed the tankies wee gunning it all the way in this relay event. PLA should never bring a heavier, and underpowered tank to rat race. NEVER. .. BTW, perhaps this is the reason the Chinese were clearly disgrunted during the prize ceremony. I notice a replacement tank was not arranged and competiton ended. Perhaps they were penalised with minus time and robbed them of the 2nd or even first place. Because the t72 were really bad at shooting on the move. . you never know
Also, i noticed the Russian had removed all their ERA , except for the side turrent. That would mean a minimum 2-3 ton reduction in weight. While i understand, leeway is often entitled to the host nation. But isn't having a most powerful engine, in a relay race enough.
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Blackstone
Brigadier
That suggests better electronics and crew training, but doesn't address the 96A's engines being underpowered.
I'd rather be slightly underpowered than have such a discrepancy in FCS
Blackstone
Brigadier
One doesn't necessarily preclude the other, and you could have both.
Right, at greater cost of course. But T-72 and Type 96A are the mainstay tanks of the respective militaries we are talking about, so in this case one does preclude the other.
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Anyway, it really is quite fascinating to see the sudden slow down of the T-72s when they go to aim and fire, compared to ZTZ-96A, especially when you have the clips side by side like that.
shen
Senior Member
China seems to have stopped working on the old Soviet V-12 after upgrading it to T-72 level for the Type-96. Russia seems to have continued upgrading the old V-series up to 1150hp while retaining the old weight and volume. Newer Chinese V-12 are based on German technology and are much bigger. The Ukraine flat six diesel also requires hull modification. PLA seems satisfied with 780hp to power the 42.8t Type 96. Any engine upgrade would make Type-96 significantly more expensive. For export, China can fit whatever engine the customer want. The latest MBT-3000 export tank has a derated 1300hp version of the same 150 series diesel from the Type-99A2 (1500hp).