China's transport, tanker & heavy lift aircraft

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Often Better is the enemy of good enough.
In terms of scale Y9 is on par with the latest western AWACS host aircraft actually larger than most.
Most mission growth on AEW is in the arrays and transition to more modern and smaller electronics.
Next KJ2000 is old. It was a real first attempt other than the KJ1.
The Kj200 was the comprise we know nothing that states Kj500 is a compromise on performance vs the Kj2000.
They wanted to use the IL76 airframe initially but were prevented primarily by cost. Creating the Kj200 mostly to try an knock down the price point. They one off the improved KJ3000 Yet they then moved to Kj500.
If they wanted new Kj2000 they could have built them.

The reason the Russians A100LL is suspected Duel role is as the technology over the last 20 years improved to the point where the same performance would be gotten from a more compact radar set using electronic scanning and mission equipment. This also why Talk of systems like E7 as a replacement for E3 is viable because the advancement of modern systems is such that a high performance high power radar array can be mated to a set of commercially derived computer cabinets a fraction of the size of their predecessors. In other words bigger doesn’t always= Better.

Next maybe, yet given the danger of operating an aircraft with an active radar. Putting your theater C&c aboard might not be a good idea. The suspicion is that for A100LL based mostly on the number of antennas on the lab.
The Globaleye combined a AWACS and JSTAR type system yet even then it’s probably only operating one or the other and in a peer vs peer would likely not be survivable in contested airspace. It’s prefect though for its main operating mode; Patrol.

Given statements made China seems to be indicating a preference for UAS based AEW in the next generation.
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And moving to a mix of nodes.
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Which is rather logical. Putting a huge radar on a Y20 sized jet is Cold War era thinking, the result of the limitations of technologies and the threats of the age in the 1970s. In the modern era. for a modern military, you can’t build a Guided missile destroyer on wings and call it a day. The mission is going to be divided up not a battle of the platform but of the systems. That’s distribution. For that a KJ-X or a E7 or whatever are nodes in the network not all in ones. Putting a mega sized radar on top will only bait their demise. So yes Nothing. Nothing as based on what WE know they seem to be taking a more nuanced approach of looking at a mix of manned and unmanned networking rather than a all in AWACS. This combined with modern electronics means that There seems to be nothing a Y20 based AWACS could offer that a Y9 based one couldn’t do because in the future it’s not going to be the center of the system but a node in it. Most of the extended detention and command being relayed or datalinked though it or unmanned platforms to form a kill chain. A centralized platform isn’t survivable in an age when LO aircraft are designed and built with integrated EW suits and long range anti radar missiles are proliferating.
 

Gloire_bb

Captain
Registered Member
Next maybe, yet given the danger of operating an aircraft with an active radar. Putting your theater C&c aboard might not be a good idea. The suspicion is that for A100LL based mostly on the number of antennas on the lab.
Offtop: Just A-100. LL in Russian refers to flying laboratory - i.e. test aircraft.
 

Xizor

Captain
Registered Member
I've read that the Y9 platform had some shortcomings in its capacity as a cargo transport ( probably when compared to C130), issues with takeoff etc and trying to exert my bad memory, I think the take was from Chinese website itself.

I could be wrong here. I've tried to search it up but to no avail. I'd be glad If someone confirms and have details of that.
 

gelgoog

Brigadier
Registered Member
I think the Y9 is an outdated platform. Something like the An-178/KC-390/Il-276 i.e. a twin jet with a high mounted wing would be better.
 

Maikeru

Captain
Registered Member
I won't call Y9 outdated as it was evolved just like C-130 that kept evolved since 1954. Many 1950s and 1960s designed aircraft are still flying in evolved form, including E2-D Hawkeye.
And the B52Hs and KC135s that were actually built during the early 1960s are still flying!
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
The basic airframe is an AN12 that dates to the late 1950s, but heavily modernized it’s akin to the C130J. A new aircraft in old skin. It has the same basic limitations of the old bird but really those limitations are hard for even brand new aircraft to rival.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
how many Y20 now? I would say between 50-60?

and I remember the IL-76 deal + IL-78 way back in 2005

how times have changed
 
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