China's transport, tanker & heavy lift aircraft

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
Off Topic but:

Actually the F117 did fly a number of US and UK Air shows.

Actually there was a offering for the F117B to the UK, a modification of the F117N concept which was offered to the USN.

End of Day it's up to the PLA to choose when they want to show off the Y20 in major airshows. Y20 seems like it would be a great offering for export but it's up to the PRC leadership as to when that happens, and it's not normally done until the production line has reached a certain maturity so as to have covered the indigenous needs.
for my own learning, did the show happen before or after F117's first combat deployment (Panama?)
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
It makes no sense to not put Y-20 to export. All major transport planes are exported (except c-5 AFAIK). Why shouldnt it?
Come on, making sense or not is only personal sense, here it is only your sense. Why do you keep on insisting your personal sense is the only reasonable sense? Have you seen China selling any of their first-tier weapon in the last 3 or 4 decades? The only known cases were before the 1970s when China sold their best weapons to allies but that was the height of cold-war.

Also, Japan has not sold any of its top military gears, Japan MUST has no confident to all the gears according to you?

I think I have run out of sense for this subject.:rolleyes:
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
for my own learning, did the show happen before or after F117's first combat deployment (Panama?)
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Before that the F117 was in the Black. Panama was in late December of 89. The First Airshow appearance was in 1990 first appearance in Paris was 1991.

This of course differs from the Y20 as Chubby Girl was always a White program.
 

Figaro

Senior Member
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It makes no sense to not put Y-20 to export. All major transport planes are exported (except c-5 AFAIK). Why shouldnt it?
No one is claiming that the Y-20 will never be put on export. It is just a matter of when. I'm sure the PLAAF is still not satisfied with their current inventory of Y-20s and plans to purchase at least a few dozen more. This program was always prioritized to provide the Chinese military with an adequate heavy transport, not to sell to other countries like the JF-17. Also, since the WS-20 is very close to induction with the Y-20, I'm sure the PLAAF would wait for the domestic engine before any export considerations ... esp considering the inadequate capabilities of the D-30KP2. I hope this answers your question ... otherwise, you're just arguing in circles.
 

Orthan

Senior Member
No one is claiming that the Y-20 will never be put on export. It is just a matter of when.

Im not saying that anyone is claiming that the Y-20 will never be put on export

I'm sure the PLAAF is still not satisfied with their current inventory of Y-20s and plans to purchase at least a few dozen more. This program was always prioritized to provide the Chinese military with an adequate heavy transport, not to sell to other countries like the JF-17. Also, since the WS-20 is very close to induction with the Y-20, I'm sure the PLAAF would wait for the domestic engine before any export considerations ... esp considering the inadequate capabilities of the D-30KP2. I hope this answers your question ... otherwise, you're just arguing in circles.

Sure, but just because Y-20 isnt for export right now, doesnt mean that it isnt useful for it to be sent abroad. It demonstrates that china is confident with its use and even present its abilities, specially in a military event. The issue of the engine is of course, important, because without WS-20, Y-20 capabilities are rather limited, but even so it wouldnt have been worst than sending an Il-76.
 

Skywatcher

Captain
I think it will once the design is more mature, it's used and proven by PLAAF etc. and proper engines mounted. Give it a few more years. One thing about transports is unlike fighters or other specilized aircraft (where is will become obsolete withing a couple of Gen), the airframe design itself is pretty much timeless so there will be plenty of opportunity for the export market in the coming years even decades.
Indeed. There's a civilian cargo variant of the Y-20 (Y-20F, IIRC, seen at the Zhuhai Airshow) that's at least has some studies done with it and I have a very hard time believing that was planned only for domestic customers.
 
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