China's transport, tanker & heavy lift aircraft

FORBIN

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Payload 250 t in theory 4 Type-99, for size :

The An-225's
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is 1,300 m3 (46,000 cu ft) in volume; 6.4 m (21 ft 0 in) wide, 4.4 m (14 ft) high, and 43.35 m (142 ft 3 in) long
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— longer than the
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Type 99 : 2.25 x 3.35 x 11 max with gun

So 3 max.

For troops C-5 max 339 for him ?
 

supercat

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The D-18T is obviously the most valuable part of the deal. The airframe has little utilities as it is too big, although it could potentially be used as the first stage in a two-stage-to-orbit vehicle.

Exactly, the An-225 is too big and unwieldy for a lot of domestic and international airports. It cannot be used tactically like the An-124. It does not even have a rear ramp. Unless they need to carry some unknown external load, it's much more cost-effective and practical to use the An-124.
 

AndrewS

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Finally, in my opinion companies like Antonov and Progress are valuable strategic assets Ukraine has, it just seems like they might be giving away too much of that advantage in return for not quite enough, even if at the moment there's no utilization for those advantages. But then, no idea what the terms of the deal are, so who knows.

Didn't Antonov finally go bankrupt earlier this year? In the long-run, it can't survive without a partner.

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Blitzo

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Antonov didnt sell An-225 property rights to china.

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The agreement was an initial agreement to work in the long term, with the stated goal being to modernize and rebuild the second An-225 airframe and then to establish production in China, under license.

At this stage I'm not sure what property rights related to An-225 have will be transferred as part of the deal, if any at all... and the translation of the Antonov post isn't very clear.
 

LesAdieux

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oh, come on guys, this is crook's dirty trick to get cheap publicity and free advertisement. it's not rare in China today. if a high profile multi-national going busted, you see crooks from nowhere holding press conference, claim they are taking over
 

MwRYum

Major
The agreement was an initial agreement to work in the long term, with the stated goal being to modernize and rebuild the second An-225 airframe and then to establish production in China, under license.

At this stage I'm not sure what property rights related to An-225 have will be transferred as part of the deal, if any at all... and the translation of the Antonov post isn't very clear.
The Antonov's statement reads "licenced production" so it more likely mean a certain degree of technological transfer but not the whole deal - look, the only commercially operable super-heavies are the An-124, less than 30 of them and being worked pretty hard but not to the point that there's a market demand for more airframes to kickstart Boeing or Airbus to join in the fray. An-225 is a stretched-limo version of the An-124, designed to support the Soviet space programme - sure it can still do the large-and-heavy cargo hauling duties, but its purpose is to transport something big on its back.

Now, it can be argued that the Chinese space programme is a potential client, but for it to be commercially viable it needs to be "busy", freighting large-and-heavy cargo all over the world...if the Chinese ain't going to throw themselves in competition with the Russian and Ukrainians (the 2 operators of An-124), then the only patron of the service or even buyer for the licenced-produced An-225 will be none other than the Chinese government, or state-owned enterprises.

But some in China already drawing parallel with the "Varyag-affair"...just sayin'...
 
China can definitely use the engine, if all the technology transfer actually happens then it will be a much needed boost to all of China's large aircraft projects both civilian and military. Serious effort by the West to scuttle the deal should be expected.
 
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