China's transport, tanker & heavy lift aircraft
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by78
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Indeed it is an older image.
All or almost Air Services do it.It looks like the 'hosing-down' ceremony is something of a tradition for inducting new airlifters into service.
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asif iqbal
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Ok so 2 new Y20 units with one in yellow primer ? 11053 ?
Hendrik_2000
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Does anybody do accounting on the number of DK 30 that China import from Russia? We know there are 50 H-6K and not 100 as this article below .Assuming 1:2 ratio of spare to used engine that will result and 150 engine used .So subtract 176-150 only 26 spare available to be used in Y 20 production. .
Or 5 new Y20 before they run out of engine. As well this article get confused between WS18 and WS 20
My understanding WS 20 is exact copy of DK 30.
China strategic air lift has long been the Achilles heel of PLAF. It is good now they addressing this weakness. It is not glamorous like jet fighter but very important component of potent Air force specially now that China has world wide economic reach
According to an article on Chinese website mil.news.sina.com.cn, China’s homegrown large transport Y-20 will begin commission this year and it will use China’s home-grown WS18 turbofan engines.
The article says that both Y-20 and H-6K had to use imported Russian D-30KP2 engines, but China has so far only imported 239 D-30KP2s. 41 of them have been used as spare engines for China’s 41 Il-76s with only 198 left, of which 24 have been used for Y-20 prototypes, the known number of which is 6.
The 176 left are not enough for the production of H-6Ks, the known number of which is at least 120 that need 240 D-30KP2s. As China has not purchased or ordered any more D-30KP2 and as WS series engines have been proved usable, China must have used WS-18 on the later batches of H-6Ks it has produced.
After all WS-18 has 13.2 ton thrust, bigger than D-30KP2. Moreover, we have seen photos of a Y-20 prototype that uses WS-18s and of one Il-76 that uses 4 WS-18s.
China needs Y-20 urgently as no large transport aircrafts are available in the international market. It needs Y-20 now to carry its heavy tanks and equipment for its airborne troops and lots of Y-20 aerial refueling tankers for its large number of H-6K strategic bombers.
Source: mil.news.sina.com.cn “Depth Column: Y-20 to be commissioned this year, using homegrown WS18 engine: H-6K has already switched to using WS18s” (summary by Chan Kai Yee based on the report in Chinese)
Or 5 new Y20 before they run out of engine. As well this article get confused between WS18 and WS 20
My understanding WS 20 is exact copy of DK 30.
China strategic air lift has long been the Achilles heel of PLAF. It is good now they addressing this weakness. It is not glamorous like jet fighter but very important component of potent Air force specially now that China has world wide economic reach
According to an article on Chinese website mil.news.sina.com.cn, China’s homegrown large transport Y-20 will begin commission this year and it will use China’s home-grown WS18 turbofan engines.
The article says that both Y-20 and H-6K had to use imported Russian D-30KP2 engines, but China has so far only imported 239 D-30KP2s. 41 of them have been used as spare engines for China’s 41 Il-76s with only 198 left, of which 24 have been used for Y-20 prototypes, the known number of which is 6.
The 176 left are not enough for the production of H-6Ks, the known number of which is at least 120 that need 240 D-30KP2s. As China has not purchased or ordered any more D-30KP2 and as WS series engines have been proved usable, China must have used WS-18 on the later batches of H-6Ks it has produced.
After all WS-18 has 13.2 ton thrust, bigger than D-30KP2. Moreover, we have seen photos of a Y-20 prototype that uses WS-18s and of one Il-76 that uses 4 WS-18s.
China needs Y-20 urgently as no large transport aircrafts are available in the international market. It needs Y-20 now to carry its heavy tanks and equipment for its airborne troops and lots of Y-20 aerial refueling tankers for its large number of H-6K strategic bombers.
Source: mil.news.sina.com.cn “Depth Column: Y-20 to be commissioned this year, using homegrown WS18 engine: H-6K has already switched to using WS18s” (summary by Chan Kai Yee based on the report in Chinese)
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No, the write up is accurate on that count.
WS-20 = high bypass variant of WS-10; WS-20 is seen being tested on the engine testbed 760
WS-18 = domestic copy of D-30
antiterror13
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Interesting article ... very much in line with what I thought .....
Expert: No more than 100 Xian Y-20s will be deployed to troops
Recently, news that the first batch of China's Xian Y-20 large military transport aircraft has been deployed to troops appeared on Weibo and in online military forums. However, the news hasn't been confirmed by the PLA. People's Daily Online interviewed military expert Xu Yongling on this issue and according to him, no more than 100 Y-20s will be deployed to troops in the future and in the next five to ten years, China may develop its third generation military transport aircrafts.
According to Xu, if the Y-20 has been used to equip the troops, then it only takes three and a half years from the maiden flight to actual use. The A-400M transport aircraft of the Europe took six years for this process. Since the maiden flight, the Y-20 hasn't experienced any major technological difficulties; in addition that this transport plane doesn't need so many experiments as the fighters, so it is believable that the Y-20 will be deployed to troops in the near future.
Some media previously reported that the PLA needs over 300 Y-20s to better meet the strategic need of the air force. Xu disagreed, "I think the total number of Y-20s used to equip the troops will not exceed 100." This prediction is based on the transport needs of the PLA as well as the international strategic environment. Moreover, the cost is also a practical factor being taken into consideration.
"It is unlikely that we will invest so much in the second generation military transport aircraft. In the next five to ten years, China may develop more advanced third generation military transport aircraft, the loading capacity and delivery distance of which will be greatly improved from the second generation," Xu said.
Expert: No more than 100 Xian Y-20s will be deployed to troops
Recently, news that the first batch of China's Xian Y-20 large military transport aircraft has been deployed to troops appeared on Weibo and in online military forums. However, the news hasn't been confirmed by the PLA. People's Daily Online interviewed military expert Xu Yongling on this issue and according to him, no more than 100 Y-20s will be deployed to troops in the future and in the next five to ten years, China may develop its third generation military transport aircrafts.
According to Xu, if the Y-20 has been used to equip the troops, then it only takes three and a half years from the maiden flight to actual use. The A-400M transport aircraft of the Europe took six years for this process. Since the maiden flight, the Y-20 hasn't experienced any major technological difficulties; in addition that this transport plane doesn't need so many experiments as the fighters, so it is believable that the Y-20 will be deployed to troops in the near future.
Some media previously reported that the PLA needs over 300 Y-20s to better meet the strategic need of the air force. Xu disagreed, "I think the total number of Y-20s used to equip the troops will not exceed 100." This prediction is based on the transport needs of the PLA as well as the international strategic environment. Moreover, the cost is also a practical factor being taken into consideration.
"It is unlikely that we will invest so much in the second generation military transport aircraft. In the next five to ten years, China may develop more advanced third generation military transport aircraft, the loading capacity and delivery distance of which will be greatly improved from the second generation," Xu said.
superdog
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Really? How did he distinguish WS-18 from D-30 by looking at pictures?