China's transport, tanker & heavy lift aircraft - esp. Y-20/YY-20

Tomboy

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Yeah, but because it was also meant to carry heavier loads including the plan to do fast deployments of M1 Abrams, so it needed all the extra breaking power it could muster. Nowadays I doubt there is such a need or even a possibility of fast deploying combat ready MBT's in austere airfields near the front lines to require core reversers, and brake tech has also gotten better since the days of the C-17

Plus the fact MBT's have gotten heavier than what the original concept envisaged.
C-17 had a very strict landing requirements which are likely much more than Y-20's requirement as is rumored in the Chinese community, that's why it has a full reverse unlike the Y-20. Remember that the C-17 has much more powerful engines as well.
 

lcloo

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Developing a standard cascade thrust reverser for Y20's engine may benefit development of CJ-1000A and CJ-2000 engines, as this dual military and civil application could be cost saving by sharing development costs of thrust reverser, and ease the supply chain.

C-17 type thrust reverser and IL-76 clamshell type reverser have full thrust reverse capability, i.e. they can direct 100% thrust away from the rear, they can even move the aircraft backward while on the ground.

Y20 and commercial type cascade thrust reverser act mainly like brake, slowing down the aircraft speed by reversing 25-40% (depends on manufacturer) of the thrust away from the rear. The hot jet from engine core is not reversered.

The reason that PLAAF's choice of thrust reverser type could be either (1) to save cost, or (2) preference for a simple and easier to maintain thrust reverser rather than the mechanical complexity of C-17 type, or both.



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sheogorath

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C-17 had a very strict landing requirements which are likely much more than Y-20's requirement as is rumored in the Chinese community, that's why it has a full reverse unlike the Y-20. Remember that the C-17 has much more powerful engines as well.

But can the Y-20 carry MBT's to require being able to land at near MTOW in austere airfields?. And like I said, brake nowadays are good enough, it is one of the reasons why the A380 only has thrust reversers in the inboard engines.

After all, 80% of the thrust in high bypass turbofans come from the fan itself with 20% being the core so the complexity and weight for that extra 20% might not be worth it, particularly if you can compensate it with the brakes, which you need to carry them anyway, so might as well.
 
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