Jura The idiot
General
for those who think they know what the future of the Korea(s) should be (which is something I don't know):
have you ever had to go to an event like this:
was it fun?)
China's strategy in Korean peninsula
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have you ever had to go to an event like this:
was it fun?)
plawolf
Lieutenant General
@Jura
Can you please cut it out with your pathological obsession of twisting every single thread into the same old hate filled stream-of-consciousness diatribe about how much you hate 'communism'?
The nonsense you are ranting about isn't even tangentially related to the subject at hand. NK isn't communism any more than America is a true democracy, it's a feudal kingdom ruled by a totalitarian despot who may or may not be more than a little crazy.
So you personally had some bad experiences with communism. I can think of millions of Americans who seem to be having a similar bitter experience with capitalism and are now calling for protectionism; and millions more Iraqis, Libyans and Syrians who are having an order of magnitude worse experience with 'democracy'.
Does that then make all capitalist and democractic nations total and irredeemable conceptual failures if we apply your brand of if-I-personally-had-a-bad-experience-with-something-it-must-be-categorically-bad kind of 'logic'?
Just kindly cut it out with this senseless crusade you seem to be on and let us follow the news and developments we are interested in without having to wade through pages and pages of the same hate fill nonsense all over the place. Thank you!
Can you please cut it out with your pathological obsession of twisting every single thread into the same old hate filled stream-of-consciousness diatribe about how much you hate 'communism'?
The nonsense you are ranting about isn't even tangentially related to the subject at hand. NK isn't communism any more than America is a true democracy, it's a feudal kingdom ruled by a totalitarian despot who may or may not be more than a little crazy.
So you personally had some bad experiences with communism. I can think of millions of Americans who seem to be having a similar bitter experience with capitalism and are now calling for protectionism; and millions more Iraqis, Libyans and Syrians who are having an order of magnitude worse experience with 'democracy'.
Does that then make all capitalist and democractic nations total and irredeemable conceptual failures if we apply your brand of if-I-personally-had-a-bad-experience-with-something-it-must-be-categorically-bad kind of 'logic'?
Just kindly cut it out with this senseless crusade you seem to be on and let us follow the news and developments we are interested in without having to wade through pages and pages of the same hate fill nonsense all over the place. Thank you!
SamuraiBlue
Captain
It's not whether US agrees or not, closer to PRC keeps their words not to meddle with the peninsula militarily/politically is the question.
As long as PRC maintains distance US will not interfere since it costs more to maintain troops in the peninsula which really has no significant strategic value to the US as long as PRC does not interfere as well.
PRC can poor in as much money into the peninsula as she likes as long as she keeps away militarily/politically and ensure Korea's independence.
solarz
Brigadier
Did you miss the memo where Trump is asking China to intervene politically on NK?
Wolfie! Wolfie!, this is a forum Komrade, and you are NO psychologist. I have 7 daughters dude, SDF doesn't need name calling and drama. Master Jura is the pinnacle of intellect and respect
here on SDF.
SamuraiBlue
Captain
Do you think, relatively speaking, Trump is a sharper tool within the tool box?
Historically Americans believe NK is controlled by PRC but looking at the past event I strongly believe PRC central government(Beijing) has little/no control.
Further more the reason why NK is so bullish is because PLA northern division on their own is supplying NK since they have to earn their own profits to remain outside of the CCP's iron fist.
In other words PLA northern division is similar to the doing their own thing to ensure their independence.
solarz
Brigadier
Trump is not the only American president calling on China to "do more" on NK. Obama was saying the same thing.
The fact is, China would be happy to not get involved in the Korean peninsula, so long as the stability and security of its borders are maintained. It is the West that keeps demanding that China "rein in" NK, i.e. political intervention.
Equation
Lieutenant General
I believe Jura was comparing the experience of Communism are different in Europe and in North Korea as compare to China.
And the great thing about Master Jura doesn't need to belong to some kind of backward religious institutional thinking in order to get respect. Those "patriots" religious zealots surely are anything but intellect.Wolfie! Wolfie!, this is a forum Komrade, and you are NO psychologist. I have 7 daughters dude, SDF doesn't need name calling and drama. Master Jura is the pinnacle of intellect and respect
SamuraiBlue
Captain
Which only strength my original argument that historically US believes that PRC is able to control NK which obvious cannot seeing the action of Jon Un also proving that Trump cannot see the obvious as well.
Xi is also to blame stating historically Korea is a tribute state of China, tit for tat when US stated Korea has been an independent state for over a 1000 years.
My concern is, based on past events where NK had been selling their missile technology, will now sell their nuclear technology as well to whom ever is willing to pay.
I seriously do not believe that neither the US or China wants un-controlled nuclear proliferation which Jon Un will unleashed if not controlled right now.
Blackstone
Brigadier
We disagree on your take of conditions since the first Sino-Japanese war, but that's history and tabled for now to focus on your second and more interesting part of the post. Specifically, I'm referring to the "permanently neutralize state" part. Some points to consider:
- How likely is it US and China can workout a unified and "permanently" neutralized Korea arrangement? I doubt it.
- China would demand US forces off the Korean peninsula, but will the US accept it? I don't think US would accept, but I'm not sure it could prevent it.
- If US and China can't agree, then can Beijing go directly to Seoul and work something with the Blue House? Yes, I think that's a strong possibility.
- Can the Unified Korea even have a truly neutral foreign policy, or will China rapidly Finlandize it? I say Unified Korea will try its hardest to remain permanently neutrality, but will do nothing Beijing doesn't want it to do. It'll be subtle until the first China-Japan or China-US 'crisis,' and then it'll be painfully obvious to involved parties Korea will not go against important Chinese interests.