China's strategic vulnerabilities

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KYli

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Sizable segments of China agriculture including rice, soybean, and corn have been moving away from urbanized southeast to much less developed northeast. The exception is cotton which has been moving to Xinjiang for plantation where produce much better yield than other places.

For remote and rural regions that are not suitable for living, the central government has subsided the local government and moved most of the residents to newly developed suburban. Those remote area would be mostly be functioned as national park or conservation and not suitable for farming.

As for those rural area that surrounding major cities in the north China, south China, and coastal regions, the central government has initially encouraged them to move to suburb with subsidies. However, even though most young people have moved to urban, there are still too many people still stay behind which mean that there are too much resistance to clear these area out for farming and other development.

To answer your question, it would take decades for these former farmers and rural towns to deteriorate to the extent that people are willing to take the government subsidized money and clear out the area for industrialized farming. It would be a slow and painful process as old people just don't want to move even though those rural towns don't have much of service or welfare.
 
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tamsen_ikard

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I'm glad that China is giving a strong response to separatist tendencies from ethnic mongols. When even ethnic mongol police and CCP members join the protests, its pretty obvious that the anti-china separatism has seeped deep into ethnic-Mongol elites.

This large scale protest showed China's past policy of carrots to ethnic minorities is not working. Allowing them to study in their own language this much is allowing them to develop a separate identity that can lead to nationalism and separatism. This is exactly how nationalism developed in Ukraine which led to its independence during a period of Russian weakness.

If China is weak in the future, these non-sinicized ethnic groups will be huge trouble. Especially ethnic mongols who already have an independent Mongolia to gain support and inspiration. Mongolia is promoting an ideology of Mongol superiority complex due mongol conquests under Chenghis Khan. They glorify their past to a huge extent and try to use it to fuel anti-China sentiment.

China needs to seriously stop these provocations from Mongolia. Why is Mongolia a pro-western democracy sandwiched between Russia and China? It shows China has not seriously tackled Mongolia even though China has enormous Economic influence there. They need to step up and do a forceful regime change to bring a pro-china government that will not glorify Mongol conquests to create anti-china superiority complex.
 
PiSigma

PiSigma

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tamsen_ikard said:
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I'm glad that China is giving a strong response to separatist tendencies from ethnic mongols. When even ethnic mongol police and CCP members join the protests, its pretty obvious that the anti-china separatism has seeped deep into ethnic-Mongol elites.

This large scale protest showed China's past policy of carrots to ethnic minorities is not working. Allowing them to study in their own language this much is allowing them to develop a separate identity that can lead to nationalism and separatism. This is exactly how nationalism developed in Ukraine which led to its independence during a period of Russian weakness.

If China is weak in the future, these non-sinicized ethnic groups will be huge trouble. Especially ethnic mongols who already have an independent Mongolia to gain support and inspiration. Mongolia is promoting an ideology of Mongol superiority complex due mongol conquests under Chenghis Khan. They glorify their past to a huge extent and try to use it to fuel anti-China sentiment.

China needs to seriously stop these provocations from Mongolia. Why is Mongolia a pro-western democracy sandwiched between Russia and China? It shows China has not seriously tackled Mongolia even though China has enormous Economic influence there. They need to step up and do a forceful regime change to bring a pro-china government that will not glorify Mongol conquests to create anti-china superiority complex.
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Should re-confederate the rest of Mongolia back into China one day in the future. Outer Mongolia is rich in copper (which China is poor at) and coal.

Most Mongols in china actually look down on the outer Mongolians. They use the Russian alphabet instead of traditional script. And there are more of us in china than in outer Mongolia.

Most importantly, members of the golden family (Descendents of gengkis kan from his sons 2-4) live in china and never supported outer Mongolia separating back in the day. I'm part mongol on my mom's side, descendent from Genghis but a cadet line.
 
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Hendrik_2000

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PiSigma said:
Should re-confederate the rest of Mongolia back into China one day in the future. Outer Mongolia is rich in copper (which China is poor at) and coal.

Most Mongols in china actually look down on the outer Mongolians. They use the Russian alphabet instead of traditional script. And there are more of us in china than in outer Mongolia.

Most importantly, members of the golden family (Descendents of gengkis kan from his sons 2-4) live in china and never supported outer Mongolia separating back in the day. I'm part mongol on my mom's side, descendent from Genghis but a cadet line.
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But they are converting the alphabet from cyrilic back to mongolian script(Phag pha?). But you are right Mongolian culture and language are much better preserve in Nei Mongol than outer Mongolia because of Russification after independence, nothing much left of Mongolian culture in Mongolia .
If they want to know more about their culture they have to study in inner mongolia

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MONGOLIA TO RESTORE TRADITIONAL ALPHABET.
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Mongolia has announced plans to restore the use of its traditional alphabet by 2025, replacing the Cyrillic script adopted under the Soviet period as it moves away from Russian influence. It will take transitional measures to prepare for the “comprehensive restoration” of the traditional alphabet, which is written in vertical lines, said a representative of the ministry of education, culture, science and sports.
The ministry has ordered the department of information and communication technology to adopt traditional Mongolian to the “electronic environment”. Scientific, literary and state registry offices have been asked to establish a system for Mongolian names. Media are required to publish in both scripts until 2024, and schools must increase learning time to study the traditional vertical script. Cultural centres must study and promote the Mongolian written heritage, according to an official statement.
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PiSigma

PiSigma

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Hendrik_2000 said:
But they are converting the alphabet from cyrilic back to mongolian script(Phag pha?). But you are right Mongolian culture and language are much better preserve in Nei Mongol than outer Mongolia because of Russification after independence, nothing much left of Mongolian culture in Mongolia .
If they want to know more about their culture they have to study in inner mongolia

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Lol good luck. They will need to fully adopt Chinese inner mongol system then. And basically makes everyone in outer Mongolia instantly illiterate.
 
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tamsen_ikard said:
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I'm glad that China is giving a strong response to separatist tendencies from ethnic mongols. When even ethnic mongol police and CCP members join the protests, its pretty obvious that the anti-china separatism has seeped deep into ethnic-Mongol elites.

This large scale protest showed China's past policy of carrots to ethnic minorities is not working. Allowing them to study in their own language this much is allowing them to develop a separate identity that can lead to nationalism and separatism. This is exactly how nationalism developed in Ukraine which led to its independence during a period of Russian weakness.

If China is weak in the future, these non-sinicized ethnic groups will be huge trouble. Especially ethnic mongols who already have an independent Mongolia to gain support and inspiration. Mongolia is promoting an ideology of Mongol superiority complex due mongol conquests under Chenghis Khan. They glorify their past to a huge extent and try to use it to fuel anti-China sentiment.

China needs to seriously stop these provocations from Mongolia. Why is Mongolia a pro-western democracy sandwiched between Russia and China? It shows China has not seriously tackled Mongolia even though China has enormous Economic influence there. They need to step up and do a forceful regime change to bring a pro-china government that will not glorify Mongol conquests to create anti-china superiority complex.
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This is the most racist thing I have seen on this forum, I really hope this view is not widespread.
 
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jimmyjames30x30

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Andy1974 said:
This is the most racist thing I have seen on this forum, I really hope this view is not widespread.
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Well, Republic of Mongolia do have actual neo-nazi skinhead gangs running around "punishing" foreigners whom they think look like Han Chinese. They get really pissed of when they see Mongolian girls dating and marrying Han Chinese businessmen.

I think it's hilarious when you bring up "racism".
 
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bajingan

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Andy1974 said:
This is the most racist thing I have seen on this forum, I really hope this view is not widespread.
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I don't see any part of that post is racist, everywhere in the world the national language and national identity takes priority over etnic languages and identity, its absolutely critical to maintain national unity especially when hostile powers will try everything they can to promote separatism within China

I was born in indonesia and we have more than 20 etnic languages and minorites, and myself also from an island outside of java, but at school our study books and materials is in bahasa indonesia the national language, and the teachers will speak in bahasa indonesia only, and i didn't see anyone complained and i don't see any western msm complained about it either
 
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