Did they ever refund any money when China left the Galileo program?.
China's Space Program News Thread
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TBH, why are you so touchy? Apparently even the American scientists see benefits of working with China's space program, despite the Frank Wolf bill prohibiting NASA working with Chinese space program.
"An additional facet to this unusual collaboration emerged in a South China Morning Post story last month. The newspaper quoted Wu Weiren, chief scientist of China’s lunar program, as saying U.S. space scientists had asked permission to “borrow” China’s Chang’e 4 spacecraft (and its associated Chinese farside relay satellite Queqiao) to plan a mission to the moon’s farside. That overture, according to earlier comments made by Wu on China Central Television, occurred at an international conference a few years ago.
The Queqiao satellite launched last May is now in position to monitor and relay communications from the lunar farside to mission controllers on Earth. Wu said U.S. scientists had asked China to extend the Queqiao relay satellite’s life span and to outfit a U.S.-supplied beacon on the Chang’e 4 mission, to help the U.S. in staging its own lunar-landing strategy. “We asked the Americans why they wanted our relay satellite to operate longer,” Wu told CCTV. “They said, perhaps feeling a little embarrassed, that they wanted to make use of our relay satellite when they make their own mission to the farside of the moon.”
The "lol" is probably because it suggests that NASA (or rather the US government) expresses an expectation that China will voluntarily provide its data with the world in a way that is written to include the US, which is rather ironic given the extent with which the US government has always sought to impede NASA from working with CNSA, including through legislation.
The sheer hypocrisy of it is not exactly hard to miss, not to mention the entitlement.
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You are right.
But AFAIK (i could be wrong here) the US government only impedes anything that transfers technology from NASA to china, doesnt say anything about astral data sharing like what we are talking about. The question then is, does NASA share its astral data with china? if not, then yes, we have a problem here. But then, why has china colaborated with NASA in the chang'e 4 program?
ESA is actually providing the satcom for this mission when Chinese stations have no LOS...
Obviously we do not know exactly what the detailed expectations of it in the tweet should be interpreted as and whether it might imply something slightly less unreasonable, but in absence of that, and given how loudly the US government has treated the Chinese space program as a threat and obstructed NASA collaboration with CNSA, I'm sure you can appreciate why there is a sense of derision in response to the tone of the tweet.
At the end of the day it's just a tweet, but at the same time the response Temstar gave was also commensurately brief.
Frankly I'm a bit surprised at explaining this, I would have thought the historical and political context would have been more than enough to understand where he might have been coming from.
There are at least two separate bans. The first ban bars any satellite with American components from being launched by Chinese vehicles which to a large extend excluded China from the international space launch market. The second ban bars NASA from any collaboration with Chinese entities unless it's authorized specially by the U.S. congress. The Chang'e 4 collaboration was authorized by the U.S. congress.
In this particular case, I think China should share samples with American scientists who are not funded by NASA if their research proposals have merits.
Here's an interesting legal question in the context of China sharing lunar samples with NASA: until US congress specifically approves it, wouldn't any offer by China to share samples be considered entrapment in trying to trick NASA into committing a federal crime?
Or is it only against the law for NASA to share things with CNSA and not the other way around?
That's why I find the tweet and its tone amusing.
Or is it only against the law for NASA to share things with CNSA and not the other way around?
That's why I find the tweet and its tone amusing.
Do bear in mind that on the internet, you deal with various points on the bell curve. In his case, both the entitlement and hypocrisy are exceedingly easy to miss.
I don't know. But I think the frequency that China got from Galileo (first use first own) and the subsequent change and delay by EU probably worth more than the money that China paid.
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