China's Space Program News Thread

[free_6ix9ine]

Indians never keep their words on all major targets, check the development timelines on their MBT, fighter, CV..... Their plans are only on PPT, never in reality.

I work with a lot of Indians because the company I work for has a support office in India. The number 1 rule I have learned so far, is never ever trust Indian to keep their word or tell the truth. They will exaggerate and under deliver and then come up with elaborate lies to cover up. I've never had a project from India that was delivered on time. I think there is a cultural reasons to this as explained by an Indian friend, in India lying is not looked down upon and is actually encouraged. And being able to make up elaborate lies to cover for failure is actually a skill that many Indians strive for. Everyone in India want to get away with doing as little as possible while still racking in the cash. That's why nothing gets done in that country or it takes 50 years to finish a project.

 

[ougoah]

I work with a lot of Indians because the company I work for has a support office in India. The number 1 rule I have learned so far, is never ever trust Indian to keep their word or tell the truth. They will exaggerate and under deliver and then come up with elaborate lies to cover up. I've never had a project from India that was delivered on time. I think there is a cultural reasons to this as explained by an Indian friend, in India lying is not looked down upon and is actually encouraged. And being able to make up elaborate lies to cover for failure is actually a skill that many Indians strive for. Everyone in India want to get away with doing as little as possible while still racking in the cash. That's why nothing gets done in that country or it takes 50 years to finish a project.

My professional experience with Indians from India is very similar. Even many Indians who have been born and raised in the west. It is certainly cultural and a "quality" passed through generations. No one has admitted to it or explained it candidly but I suspect it has a lot to do with the amount of competition that exists in India. This is true for most of Asia with high populations but east Asians have been brought up with a fear for overpromising and under-delivering. There is a huge shame culture in east Asian societies, often to the extremes e.g. suicide from shame (not that this is actually common despite suggestions). I think we feel embarrassed for and think very poorly of those who brag with nothing to brag about. Exposing that is shameful for all involved including the ones who bought into the lies.

With India, their competitiveness and absence of shaming has encouraged the thriving of certain personalities. Marketing men full of boastful talk. When caught out in their lies on the rare occasion, they have their colleagues backing them up because they are no different. On a political level, they have their media to cover for them. Take a look at India's space program. While academically worthwhile, their commercial side is rather lackluster. Not many customers for satellite launches when you compare their numbers with Chinese or Russian or European, even Japanese SA commercial launches for foreign customers. Why? Because their payloads are VERY low. Their heaviest rocket barely gets to GTO with sufficient mass. Yet all you hear about is successful tiny Mars orbiter (orbiters are some of the easiest tasks these days as opposed to something like landers/manned space flight/EVA/station docking/crewed capsules). You also hear about launching 80 something micro satellites. What you don't hear about is that those micro satellites are cheap, next to worthless debris about a digital calculator in size and weight each and all they did was pack 80 of them into a package to be released in orbit. Not as impressive as what is imagined at first. They aim for the impressive sounding but what purpose has the 80 micro satellites filled? They're not for comms or observations or military or even academic outside of the launch and deployment study itself. NASA has contributed to millions of pieces of microsatellites too in space debris. Same for the USSR and China lol.

 

[free_6ix9ine]

Why ? It never come across to me that China views it as a space race with the US, or with any other country.

China's space program appears to set the goal on creating human habitat on the moon for the intermediate term and on a planet for the long term. China believes that the technology and capability created or developed in the process has significant economic as well as military values. Good and bad economic times come and go, China just continues to move towards their set goal, adjusting the pace accordingly.

Space race is just something in the mind of the other countries and their MSM. China never seems to be too much concerned with it. China's Tiangong 3 is smaller than than the International Space Station - so what. India launched 84 mini satellites in one shot - China was not losing face and must match that.

Look at the US. After beating the Russian with men on the moon, their space program lost focus and drifted aimlessly until recently - because they realize China is catching up fast and want to beat China back to the moon (with human) and Mars (with rover). But will she lose interest again after that ?

Another case in point is India. In every space project they brag about catching up or beating China. Such kind of talk put so much pressure on their many excellent engineers and scientists that they have to over promise on their schedule and became laughing stocks for keep missing schedules. For me, I just cannot see any focus in their overall program ?

Let

My professional experience with Indians from India is very similar. Even many Indians who have been born and raised in the west. It is certainly cultural and a "quality" passed through generations. No one has admitted to it or explained it candidly but I suspect it has a lot to do with the amount of competition that exists in India. This is true for most of Asia with high populations but east Asians have been brought up with a fear for overpromising and under-delivering. There is a huge shame culture in east Asian societies, often to the extremes e.g. suicide from shame (not that this is actually common despite suggestions). I think we feel embarrassed for and think very poorly of those who brag with nothing to brag about. Exposing that is shameful for all involved including the ones who bought into the lies.

With India, their competitiveness and absence of shaming has encouraged the thriving of certain personalities. Marketing men full of boastful talk. When caught out in their lies on the rare occasion, they have their colleagues backing them up because they are no different. On a political level, they have their media to cover for them. Take a look at India's space program. While academically worthwhile, their commercial side is rather lackluster. Not many customers for satellite launches when you compare their numbers with Chinese or Russian or European, even Japanese SA commercial launches for foreign customers. Why? Because their payloads are VERY low. Their heaviest rocket barely gets to GTO with sufficient mass. Yet all you hear about is successful tiny Mars orbiter (orbiters are some of the easiest tasks these days as opposed to something like landers/manned space flight/EVA/station docking/crewed capsules). You also hear about launching 80 something micro satellites. What you don't hear about is that those micro satellites are cheap, next to worthless debris about a digital calculator in size and weight each and all they did was pack 80 of them into a package to be released in orbit. Not as impressive as what is imagined at first.

Yep, I agree. Different cultures value different traits. Their boasting and lying skills does explain why Indians can quickly climb the ranks in companies based in the US and I'm assuming other western countries as well. My Indian colleagues love to bring up the list of Indian-American CEOs, but I've always wondered if Indians are such great CEOs, how come Infosys and other Indian sweatshops are still at the bottom of the bucket.

 

[go4sdff]

My professional experience with Indians from India is very similar. Even many Indians who have been born and raised in the west. It is certainly cultural and a "quality" passed through generations. No one has admitted to it or explained it candidly but I suspect it has a lot to do with the amount of competition that exists in India. This is true for most of Asia with high populations but east Asians have been brought up with a fear for overpromising and under-delivering. There is a huge shame culture in east Asian societies, often to the extremes e.g. suicide from shame (not that this is actually common despite suggestions). I think we feel embarrassed for and think very poorly of those who brag with nothing to brag about. Exposing that is shameful for all involved including the ones who bought into the lies.

With India, their competitiveness and absence of shaming has encouraged the thriving of certain personalities. Marketing men full of boastful talk. When caught out in their lies on the rare occasion, they have their colleagues backing them up because they are no different. On a political level, they have their media to cover for them. Take a look at India's space program. While academically worthwhile, their commercial side is rather lackluster. Not many customers for satellite launches when you compare their numbers with Chinese or Russian or European, even Japanese SA commercial launches for foreign customers. Why? Because their payloads are VERY low. Their heaviest rocket barely gets to GTO with sufficient mass. Yet all you hear about is successful tiny Mars orbiter (orbiters are some of the easiest tasks these days as opposed to something like landers/manned space flight/EVA/station docking/crewed capsules). You also hear about launching 80 something micro satellites. What you don't hear about is that those micro satellites are cheap, next to worthless debris about a digital calculator in size and weight each and all they did was pack 80 of them into a package to be released in orbit. Not as impressive as what is imagined at first. They aim for the impressive sounding but what purpose has the 80 micro satellites filled? They're not for comms or observations or military or even academic outside of the launch and deployment study itself. NASA has contributed to millions of pieces of microsatellites too in space debris. Same for the USSR and China lol.

l have exactly experiences with Indians.

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Yep, I agree. Different cultures value different traits. Their boasting and lying skills does explain why Indians can quickly climb the ranks in companies based in the US and I'm assuming other western countries as well. My Indian colleagues love to bring up the list of Indian-American CEOs, but I've always wondered if Indians are such great CEOs, how come Infosys and other Indian sweatshops are still at the bottom of the bucket.

India had been colonized by the British for 200 years, so they knew how to serve Westerns

 

[anzha]

India had been colonized by the British for 200 years, so they knew how to serve Westerns

Y'know, guys...1. This is OT for the thread for CHINESE space program and 2. very, very much flame bait. I'm surprised the mods haven't said something else.

 

[go4sdff]

An old image of an astronaut aboard Tiangong-1 experimental space station module.

does anyone know what the robot hand would be used for?

 

[ougoah]

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does anyone know what the robot hand would be used for?

Are these photos of Tiangong 1 in orbit? How come there's zero g? Looks like a mockup ground based training space but there's a bag of tissues floating in the second image lol and a shockingly out of place foil covered tube strapped to the wall. Robot hand looks like a toy but motors look pretty serious.

 

[Quickie]

Are these photos of Tiangong 1 in orbit? How come there's zero g? Looks like a mockup ground based training space but there's a bag of tissues floating in the second image lol and a shockingly out of place foil covered tube strapped to the wall. Robot hand looks like a toy but motors look pretty serious.

The pieces of stuff look like in zero-g is because there are in zero-g. AFAIK, those pictures were taken in orbit.

 

[go4sdff]

The pieces of stuff look like in zero-g is because there are in zero-g. AFAIK, those pictures were taken in orbit.

two other pictures with same robot hand installed.

 

[by78]

Satellite-to-satellite laser communication.

Text in the image:
中国航天科工
【星间激光通信载荷批量采购线上签约 “行云工程”β阶段12颗卫星建设正式启动】近日，航天行云科技有限公司与北京遥测技术研究所、哈尔滨工业大学（威海）两家单位举行了线上签约仪式，就批量采购星间激光通信载荷签署了合作协议。这标志着“行云工程”β阶段研制、生产、发射、运营及应用12颗卫星的序幕已经拉开。
本次招标是国内同行业首次针对星上激光通信载荷的公开批量招标。今年4月20日，“行云工程”星间激光通信载荷研制项目挂网公开招标，计划一次性采购12套星间激光通信载荷。5月20日，北京遥测技术研究所、哈尔滨工业大学（威海）两家单位从多名竞争对手中脱颖而出，成功中标。
太空中，卫星之间的通信通常采用无线电波，存在传输容量受限、信号受到干扰、频率资源不足等突出问题，卫星之间采用激光通信，具有传输速度快、传输容量大、不用申请频率、减少地面基站等突出优点，更能满足用户的通信需求。目前，“行云工程”在国内低轨星座中唯一采用了星间激光通信技术，代表了当前低轨卫星通信技术的先进性及发展方向。
“行云二号”01、02星自今年5月12日成功发射入轨后，随即开展了平台及载荷状态测试、星地通信测试、通信业务流程测试等多项核心技术测试，目前已完成的测试项目完全符合设计预期，系统表现优秀，为“行云工程”按计划稳步推进β阶段建设奠定了良好基础。

Google Translation:
China Aerospace Science and Industry
[The inter-satellite laser communication payload contract signed at an online ceremony. The "Xingyun Project" beta phase 12 satellite construction officially launched] Recently, the aerospace Xingyun Technology Co., Ltd., Beijing Telemetry Technology Institute, Harbin Institute of Technology (Weihai) held two units At the online signing ceremony, a cooperation agreement was signed on the bulk purchase of interstellar laser communication payloads. This marks the beginning of the 12 phases of development, production, launch, operation and application of the "Xingyun Project" beta phase.
This bidding is the first public batch bidding for on-board laser communication payload in the same industry in China. On April 20 this year, the "Xingyun Project" inter-satellite laser communication load development project was open for public bidding. It planned to purchase 12 sets of inter-satellite laser communication loads at one time. On May 20, the Beijing Institute of Telemetry Technology and Harbin Institute of Technology (Weihai) stood out from many competitors and won the bid.
In space, the communication between satellites usually uses radio waves, which have prominent problems such as limited transmission capacity, signal interference, and insufficient frequency resources. The use of laser communication between satellites has fast transmission speed, large transmission capacity, no application frequency, Reducing outstanding advantages such as ground base stations can better meet users' communication needs. At present, the "Xingyun Project" is the only one adopting inter-satellite laser communication technology in the domestic low-orbit constellation, which represents the advanced nature and development direction of the current low-orbit satellite communication technology.
Since the successful launch of the "Xingyun 2" 01 and 02 stars into orbit on May 12, this year, it has carried out a number of core technical tests such as platform and load status tests, satellite-ground communication tests, and communication business process tests. The test project of the company completely meets the design expectations and the system performance is excellent, which lays a good foundation for the "Xingyun Project" to steadily advance the construction of the beta stage as planned.